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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
Frank Apisa
 
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Fri 4 Jul, 2014 08:15 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Thanks to the Snowden affair (and his documents), the German Federal Prosecutor now opens investigations against at least one dopple-agent: a 31-year old who worked for the German BND and the NSA.
He's already in prison, a Federal Judge at the Federal Court (the highest German court) released an arrest warrant.
He has already confessed to have spied for the USA, especially related to the Bundestag's NSA-committee of enquiry.


I hope the guy gets a fair trial in Germany.
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Fri 4 Jul, 2014 08:21 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
I hope the guy gets a fair trial in Germany.
Since he is a German - the trial will be in Germany.
Since it happened in Germany, the "US-contact" will be charged here as well.
(We don't think here that the sections about spying in our criminal code are laughable.)
Frank Apisa
 
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Fri 4 Jul, 2014 08:27 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
I hope the guy gets a fair trial in Germany.
Since he is a German - the trial will be in Germany.


And I hope it is a fair one, Walter. That is all I said. You seem a mite testy today.



Quote:
Since it happened in Germany, the "US-contact" will be charged here as well.


Okay...we'll see how that goes.



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(We don't think here that the sections about spying in our criminal code are laughable.)


Well...the charges and disposition of the case against the "US-contact" should establish that. We'll see.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 4 Jul, 2014 08:38 am
@Frank Apisa,
It has now been leaked that the double-spy not only monitored the the parliamentary NSA-inquiry committee on behalf of the USA but other activities in our Bundestag (federal parliament) as well ... politicians here are horrified besides those from our conservative party: they still keep quiet in their horror.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 4 Jul, 2014 08:43 am
@Frank Apisa,
Regarding the question about a fair trial: the only similar we had had was Guillaume, who spied in the Chancellery on the German political system for the Stasi in 70's: he got 13 years prison.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 4 Jul, 2014 08:50 am
@Walter Hinteler,
The Bavarian conservative party CSU (is part of the government coalition as well) just now said that it could be, the "US-contact person" wasn't really working for an US-agency. (No comments from the CDU until now besides that what was said officially by the State Secretary as government spokesperson and head of the Federal Press and Information Office.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 4 Jul, 2014 09:03 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

Walter Hinteler wrote:
Since it happened in Germany, the "US-contact" will be charged here as well.

Okay...we'll see how that goes.
Now it is said that the secret informations and documents where given on an USB-stick to ... well, it isn't known. What is known is that emails were exchanged between someone with an email address attached to the US-embassy in Berlin and the German spy.

(It's the first time that our counter-espionage agency shows at least some openness and is relatively informative about what is/was going on towards the parliamentary gremia. Thanks to the Snowden-affair!)
revelette2
 
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Fri 4 Jul, 2014 09:08 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Perhaps there is a difference in between being directly charged with espionage and charges made which happen to be in the espionage act. Bradley did about the same (not sure of his charges) and he didn't get the death penalty. There seems to be a thought which may be true that if you were charged with espionage then you automatically get the death penalty which is why the death penalty has been mentioned in this discussion.
revelette2
 
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Fri 4 Jul, 2014 09:09 am
To those it may concern, Happy fourth of July.
JTT
 
  0  
Fri 4 Jul, 2014 09:14 am
@revelette2,
Yeah, let's invade another country and slaughter some more kids. We can make fireworks out of depleted uranium and get 'em good.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Fri 4 Jul, 2014 09:23 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

It has now been leaked that the double-spy not only monitored the the parliamentary NSA-inquiry committee on behalf of the USA but other activities in our Bundestag (federal parliament) as well ... politicians here are horrified besides those from our conservative party: they still keep quiet in their horror.


Yeah, Walter...our politicians over here often are horrified at things also. John McCain, for instance, is "horrified" at how President Obama is handling things in Iraq. So is former vice president Dick Cheney. Carl Rove also.

Get my point?
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Frank Apisa
 
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Fri 4 Jul, 2014 09:24 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Regarding the question about a fair trial: the only similar we had had was Guillaume, who spied in the Chancellery on the German political system for the Stasi in 70's: he got 13 years prison.


Well...I hope that Germany is able to muster a fair trial for the guy who "is already in prison."
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Frank Apisa
 
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Fri 4 Jul, 2014 09:26 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

Walter Hinteler wrote:
Since it happened in Germany, the "US-contact" will be charged here as well.

Okay...we'll see how that goes.
Now it is said that the secret informations and documents where given on an USB-stick to ... well, it isn't known. What is known is that emails were exchanged between someone with an email address attached to the US-embassy in Berlin and the German spy.

(It's the first time that our counter-espionage agency shows at least some openness and is relatively informative about what is/was going on towards the parliamentary gremia. Thanks to the Snowden-affair!)


Yeah, that Snowden is a hero for doing what he did in our country. And that guy who did much the same thing in Germany is a.....what???

A hero?


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Frank Apisa
 
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Fri 4 Jul, 2014 09:27 am
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:

To those it may concern, Happy fourth of July.


Happy 4th back atcha, Revelette.

Looking forward to the fireworks tonight...although Mother Nature may have something to say about that!
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 4 Jul, 2014 09:36 am
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Germany arrests suspected double agent spying for U.S.: two German politicians

BERLIN Fri Jul 4, 2014 11:15am EDT

(Reuters) - German authorities have arrested a German man employed by the country's foreign intelligence agency (BND) on suspicion of spying for the United States, two politicians with knowledge of the affair told Reuters on Friday.

The German Federal Prosecutor's office said in a statement that a 31-year-old man had been arrested on suspicion of being a foreign spy, but it gave no further details.

The affair risks further straining ties with Washington which were damaged by revelations last year of mass surveillance of German citizens by the U.S. National Security Agency, which included monitoring Chancellor Angela Merkel's mobile phone.

The man has admitted passing to an American contact details about a special German parliamentary committee set up to investigate the spying revelations made by former U.S. intelligence contractor Edward Snowden, the politicians said.

Both lawmakers are members of the nine-person parliamentary control committee, whose meetings are confidential, and which is in charge of monitoring German intelligence.

The parliamentary committee investigating the NSA affair also holds some confidential meetings.

"This was a man who had no direct contact with the investigative committee... He was not a top agent," said one of the politicians, who spoke on condition of anonymity. The suspect had offered his services to the United States voluntarily, the source said.

The United States embassy in Berlin declined to comment.

Germany is particularly sensitive about surveillance because of abuses by the East German Stasi secret police and the Nazis. Berlin has demanded that Washington agree to a "no-spy" with its close ally, but the United States has been unwilling.

Bild newspaper said in an advance copy of an article to be published on Saturday that the man had worked for two years as a double agent and had stolen 218 confidential documents.

He sold the documents, three of which related to the work of the committee in the Bundestag, for 25,000 euros ($34,100), Bild said, citing security sources.($1 = 0.7331 Euros)
cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 4 Jul, 2014 09:59 am
@revelette2,
It's easy for us to discuss the strength or weakness of the "death penalty for espionage," but would 'you' return to the US under similar circumstances as Snowden? I wouldn't; I don't trust this government.
I would first need to get a promise from the government that I would get a fair trial of my peers.
JTT
 
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Fri 4 Jul, 2014 10:06 am
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
I would first need to get a promise from the government that I would get a fair trial of my peers.


In case you haven't noticed, CI, your governments are major liars.

They would give you six Franks and six Revs. And they wouldn't even bother to make a key, they'd just weld your door shut.
cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 4 Jul, 2014 10:09 am
@JTT,
You're an idiot; your comprehension skills is nill. I already wrote, "I don't trust our government."

Quit following me around, you ass hole! I don't read 99.9% of your shyt, because I already know what you're going to say.
JTT
 
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Fri 4 Jul, 2014 10:13 am
@cicerone imposter,
You are a terribly confused, conflicted individual, CI. That's what comes from a lifetime of relentless propaganda.

A liar too. What of ignore, my little friend?
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JTT
 
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Fri 4 Jul, 2014 10:17 am
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
because I already know what you're going to say.


Yeah, wouldn't it be nice if the USA was actually what the propaganda has described instead of a rogue, terrorist nation?

Then folks wouldn't have to describe reality to dim bulbs like you.
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