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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 3 Jul, 2014 02:17 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Because he's already been charged with espionage.

Quote:
en.wikipedia.org/.../Capital_punishment_by_the_United_State...
Wikipedia
The United States federal government (in comparison to the separate states) applies the death penalty for certain crimes: treason, espionage, federal murder, ..


You're way above you level of knowledge.


Yes, you do have to call people who disagree with you unknowledgeable. Whatever gets you through the night, ci.

Anyway...Snowden is only charged with three things:

18 USC 641 Theft of Government Property

18 U.S.C. 93(d) Unauthorized Communication of National Defense information

18 U.S.C. 798(a)(3) Willful Communication of Classified Communications intelligence information to unauthorized persons.

To the best of my knowledge...none of these charges carry a death penalty.

If you know differently...put it out here for inspection.
cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 3 Jul, 2014 02:19 pm
@Frank Apisa,
No, I just state facts as I see them. Prove that I'm wrong - if you can.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 3 Jul, 2014 02:21 pm
The 193 foreign countries the NSA spies on and the 4 it doesn't (The NSA has authority to spy on almost every single country on Earth - even the Vatican. [Ever wondered about the large "Political and Economics Office" at the United States Embassy to the Holy See?)

http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w641/Walter_Hinteler/b_zps162ab2a6.jpg

Quote:
NSA was also granted authority to spy on ix political organisations:
1. Amal, a Lebanese Shi'a political party that has historically been a rival of the Lebanese Shi'a political party and terrorist group Hezbollah

2. The Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), India's predominant right-wing Hindu nationalist political party, whose leader Narendra Modi was once blocked from visiting the US because of his history of inciting anti-Muslim violence. Earlier this year, Modi became the Prime Minister of India.

3. The Bolivarian Continental Movement, a South American organization that promotes "the union of the peoples of the Americas" against the "imperialist aggression" of the United States, "defending the Venezuelan revolution from the imperialist threats", and "to reinforce the struggle against the Yankee military bases in Colombia." It is based in Venezuela and associated with the Colombian narco-terrorist group the FARC.

4. The Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, which was banned in Egypt up until the 2011 Egyptian revolution, entered politics that year, got a member elected president in 2012, had its president deposed in a military coup in 2013, and is now persecuted under the military government. Ironically, since 2011 the United States has been frequently accused in Egypt of secretly backing the Muslim Brotherhood.

5. The National Salvation Front. The memo does not specify which National Salvation Front it is referring to (there have been several in Europe and the Middle East) but it likely refers to the Syrian opposition party, the only group by that name that was active in 2010, when the memo was issues. (Some articles have claimed this refers to the Egyptian party by this name, but it was not formed until 2012.) Syria's National Salvation Front is an opposition party based abroad, primarily in Belgium.

6. Pakistan People's Party, a popular Pakistani political party that has center-left politics and historically positive ties with the United States.
Source
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Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 3 Jul, 2014 02:21 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

No, I just state facts as I see them. Prove that I'm wrong - if you can.


"Facts as you see them"...may not be facts.

I have itemized the charges against Snowden.

Name any others that you know about. (There are no others, ci.)
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 3 Jul, 2014 02:44 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Edward Snowden is charged with three felonies, including two under the Espionage Act.

Frank Apisa wrote:
Any laws that say "It is illegal to spy on me"...is RIGHTLY going to be laughed at.
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Thu 3 Jul, 2014 02:55 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Edward Snowden is charged with three felonies, including two under the Espionage Act.


Correct. But none of the charges specify espionage. I've already given the code and charges up above.

As far as I know...none of those charges carry a death penalty. If I am wrong about that (I may be, I am not a lawyer)...please inform me...and all of us.


Quote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
Any laws that say "It is illegal to spy on me"...is RIGHTLY going to be laughed at.



Yeah...I do think that. And you don't?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 3 Jul, 2014 03:07 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
Correct. But none of the charges specify espionage. I've already given the code and charges up above.

As far as I know...none of those charges carry a death penalty. If I am wrong about that (I may be, I am not a lawyer)...please inform me...and all of us.
So the "Espionage Act" isn't about espionage?

I don't know why you mention 'death penalty' here - I can't remember ever having written something about here.
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 3 Jul, 2014 03:23 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
Correct. But none of the charges specify espionage. I've already given the code and charges up above.

As far as I know...none of those charges carry a death penalty. If I am wrong about that (I may be, I am not a lawyer)...please inform me...and all of us.
So the "Espionage Act" isn't about espionage?


It may be "about" espionage...but as I said, the three charges do not contain the word espionage. Check it out...you will see.

So what is your problem?

Quote:

I don't know why you mention 'death penalty' here - I can't remember ever having written something about here.


Someone else mentioned that the penalty for espionage was death.

I am simply saying that as far as I know, the charges against Snowden do not carry a death penalty. I am not a lawyer, so anyone who knows differently can certainly enlighten us.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 3 Jul, 2014 04:28 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
I did.
Quote:
Because he's already been charged with espionage.

Quote:
en.wikipedia.org/.../Capital_punishment_by_the_United_State...
Wikipedia
The United States federal government (in comparison to the separate states) applies the death penalty for certain crimes: treason, espionage, federal murder, ..


Quote:

The Washington Post

National Security
U.S. charges Snowden with espionage
Frank Apisa
 
  0  
Thu 3 Jul, 2014 06:56 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

I did.
Quote:
Because he's already been charged with espionage.

Quote:
en.wikipedia.org/.../Capital_punishment_by_the_United_State...
Wikipedia
The United States federal government (in comparison to the separate states) applies the death penalty for certain crimes: treason, espionage, federal murder, ..


Quote:

The Washington Post

National Security
U.S. charges Snowden with espionage



Here is the complain...complete with the charges:

http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/world/us-vs-edward-j-snowden-criminal-complaint/496/

Sorry the Post got it wrong.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 3 Jul, 2014 10:23 pm
@Frank Apisa,
I can't answer for "someone else".
But the "Espionage Act" is about espionage. And laws "forbidding spying are laughable".
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 4 Jul, 2014 04:19 am
Thanks to the Snowden affair (and his documents), the German Federal Prosecutor now opens investigations against at least one dopple-agent: a 31-year old who worked for the German BND and the NSA.
He's already in prison, a Federal Judge at the Federal Court (the highest German court) released an arrest warrant.
He has already confessed to have spied for the USA, especially related to the Bundestag's NSA-committee of enquiry.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 4 Jul, 2014 04:22 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Seems to be a bigger affair and is even now the biggest scandal related to a German-American double-agent in the postwar-area.
cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 4 Jul, 2014 04:31 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Good to see that the German Federal Prosecutor is now showing some teeth! Mr. Green
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revelette2
 
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Fri 4 Jul, 2014 06:03 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I am a little confused, as far as I can see on the link left by Frank, there really isn't a charge of espionage listed under the charges. I am not able to copy to it, but the charges are three: Theft of government property; Unauthorized communication of national defense information; Willful communication of classified communications intelligence information to an unauthorized person. If they were going to charge espionage, wouldn't it be listed in the charges?

Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 4 Jul, 2014 06:54 am
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:

I am a little confused, as far as I can see on the link left by Frank, there really isn't a charge of espionage listed under the charges. I am not able to copy to it, but the charges are three: Theft of government property; Unauthorized communication of national defense information; Willful communication of classified communications intelligence information to an unauthorized person. If they were going to charge espionage, wouldn't it be listed in the charges?


The latter two are charges under the "Espionage Act". If that act isn't about espionage - fine with me. But not with the law.

http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w641/Walter_Hinteler/b_zpsa0a76eee.jpg
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 4 Jul, 2014 07:02 am
@Walter Hinteler,
German authorities have arrested double agent working for the US who is thought has spied on the Bundestag’s inquiry into claims of US surveillance.

In a statement, Germany’s federal attorney-general said a 31-year-old German national had been arrested on Wednesday.

The claims that the arrested BND employee was a US spy were first reported in the Süddeutsche Zeitung and by the broadcasters NDR and WDR. Spiegel Online reported that the man worked in the mailroom of the BND*, Germany’s foreign intelligence agency. [This "mailroom" is commonly known as "Geheimregistratur" (secret registry).]

The German parliamentary committee investigating the NSA said on Thursday it would adjourn to discuss the arrest.

(From FT, Bloomberg and reuters.)


The "US contact person" has been observed as well - it is not known to the "usually well informed sources" to which of many US secret agencies he's attached to.
Merkel informed Obama in a phone call yesterday about it.

(This double-spy at first offered his "services" to Russia - they didn't want him.)
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 4 Jul, 2014 07:17 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Now it's mentioned in other US-media as well.

From the NYT under the headline German Arrested on Suspicion of Passing Secrets
Quote:
A statement from the general prosecutor said the man was detained on Wednesday by officers from the federal criminal office, the most senior police authority in Germany.

On Thursday, the man appeared before a federal court in Karlsruhe, where the federal prosecutor’s office is located, and was ordered held “on urgent suspicion” of unauthorized intelligence activities, the prosecutor’s office said in a statement.

Word of the arrest came just a day after two Americans who once worked for the National Security Agency testified to a German parliamentary inquiry about the monitoring of electronic data by the United States.

Earlier Thursday, a 27-year-old student became the first German after Ms. Merkel to be identified as a target for American eavesdropping. Last October, relations between Washington and Berlin suffered a severe jolt when it became clear that a cellphone Ms. Merkel used had been tapped.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 4 Jul, 2014 07:24 am
@Walter Hinteler,
... and now it's known that the double-spy actually didn't work in "postal services" there but in a "specialised department".
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Frank Apisa
 
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Fri 4 Jul, 2014 08:13 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

I can't answer for "someone else".


You asked me a question...I answered it.

Quote:

But the "Espionage Act" is about espionage.


Yes...and Snowden has been charged with the three specific items I mentioned.

Quote:

And laws "forbidding spying are laughable".


Yup...you get it now. Laws against spying are laughable.
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