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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 19 Jun, 2014 07:47 am
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:
I don't see the point in speculating as it would never happen, but you all knock your self out if you want.
Indeed.
Frank Apisa wrote:
The question was a hypothetical. Walter.

Please try to keep up.
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JTT
 
  2  
Thu 19 Jun, 2014 10:32 am
@revelette2,
Can you provide me with one valid reason, Rev, why every CIA/USA agent, and their foreign contacts, conducting terrorist actions in myriad locations around the world, shouldn't be exposed to the light of day?

Terrorism is terrorism no matter who it is conducting it.

Are you naive or ... ?
revelette2
 
  1  
Thu 19 Jun, 2014 11:00 am
@JTT,
In spite of the fact you seem to feel we deserve to be killed because of our actions to others, real or otherwise, we have to have ways and means to track down terrorist and exposing those means is just aiding those would be or already are terrorist. Its that simple for me.
JTT
 
  1  
Thu 19 Jun, 2014 11:06 am
@revelette2,
Quote:

In spite of the fact you seem to feel we deserve to be killed because of our ... .


You are putting words in my mouth, Rev, because I most certainly didn't say that. And you didn't answer the question either.

Don't you think that terrorists should be exposed?
RABEL222
 
  1  
Thu 19 Jun, 2014 01:54 pm
@wmwcjr,
Damn, they just keep crawling out from under rocks!!!
JTT
 
  1  
Thu 19 Jun, 2014 01:58 pm
@RABEL222,
Damn, they just keep crawling out from under rocks!!! And invading another poor defenceless country, murdering babies, raping, stealing the bread right out of children's' mouths.

RABEL222 is fine with all that.
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revelette2
 
  2  
Thu 19 Jun, 2014 02:03 pm
@JTT,
I might be putting words in your mouth, but, it is an impression I get from you. If it is wrong, I apologize. Since this thread concerning NSA and spying issues, I merely said why I think exposing those methods is not a good thing. I am not sure who you are calling terrorist or what act of terror they committed but I hesitate to ask because I am sure I will get a long list of terrible war crimes the US has committed. This is my country, and while I agree, we sometimes do things wrong, terribly wrong, not everything we do is wrong and sometimes we do things right.
JTT
 
  1  
Thu 19 Jun, 2014 02:08 pm
@revelette2,
Describe an event where the USA did RIGHT, Rev.
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JTT
 
  1  
Thu 19 Jun, 2014 02:13 pm
@revelette2,
The short list will do. Both Iraq and Afghanistan were/are war crimes/terrorist acts. You're a granma. Every USA invasion in your lifetime (except WWII) was a war crime/act of terrorism.

The USA constantly has agents committing acts of terrorism in countries the world over.

And you are fine with this?
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JTT
 
  1  
Thu 19 Jun, 2014 02:14 pm
@revelette2,
You forgot to answer this;

Don't you think that terrorists should be exposed?
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JTT
 
  1  
Thu 19 Jun, 2014 02:25 pm
@revelette2,
Quote:
but I hesitate to ask because I am sure I will get a long list of terrible war crimes the US has committed.


And this, in and of itself, doesn't raise any warning flags for you, Rev? Finn? ... ?
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Moment-in-Time
 
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Thu 19 Jun, 2014 04:12 pm
@revelette2,
Quote:

Whether Snowden planned it or not, it seems he couldn't have picked a better country to hide in plain sight from the US than Russia.


Stranded in Russia, Moscow's Sheremetyevo airport, there was little the freedom loving Snowden could do except apply for temporary asylum in that country. For Putin, it was a golden opportunity to rub the US face in it, to embarrass America.

Quote:
[Diverting Morales’s plane was more than a diplomatic setback. It also probably caused Snowden to abandon any idea of leaving Russia, squandering what Monaco had described as “the best play” for the United States.]

"The search for Snowden turned into a major diplomatic fiasco, with Bolivia, Venezuela and several other Latin American countries lashing out at the United States and accusing it of having strong-armed European countries into redirecting the official Bolivian presidential plane."


Revelette, I believe such a "diplomatic fiasco" will not be lasting....a temporary glitch, after all, most countries by now surely will understand the intense frustration the US was under to capture the rogue Snowden and will extend the US some political leeway.

Quote:
If Austria couldn't get Snowden off the plane, wonder why the US risked playing their hand to no purpose?


If Snowden had been on the Bolivian President's plane, trust me, he would have been handed over to the US. France and Portugal refused to allow the Bolivian plane to enter their airspace, forcing the plane to land in Austria.

JTT
 
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Thu 19 Jun, 2014 04:18 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Quote:
and will extend the US some political leeway.


Such is always the case, MiT, the top gangster group gets a lot of leeway.
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JTT
 
  1  
Thu 19 Jun, 2014 04:19 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Do you think that terrorists should be exposed, MiT?
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Olivier5
 
  2  
Thu 19 Jun, 2014 06:25 pm
@revelette2,
Quote:
I don't see the point in speculating as it would never happen, but you all knock your self out if you want.

That's already an answer: you find the idea so gross that it can't happen. It's literally unthinkable...
revelette2
 
  2  
Fri 20 Jun, 2014 06:38 am
@Olivier5,
Actually you misunderstood the reason I think it would never happen, I don't think Air Force One would ever carry a wanted fugitive from another country, nor make any comments which would lead one to think he would.
Olivier5
 
  2  
Fri 20 Jun, 2014 06:54 am
@revelette2,
Did Morales make any such comment?
revelette2
 
  1  
Fri 20 Jun, 2014 07:27 am
@Olivier5,
I made an assumption, once again, without knowing the facts. I just assumed he must have said something to lead one to think Snowden would be on that plane and lead European countries, including yours, to close their air space. However, turns out there was some intelligence told to those countries by an unnamed source.

Spain 'told Edward Snowden was on Bolivia president's plane'

ehBeth
 
  1  
Fri 20 Jun, 2014 07:33 am
@revelette2,
for anyone who doesn't understand the damage being done to the US reputation by events like this ... from revelette's link

Quote:
"We have dignity, sovereignty. Without America, we are better off politically and democratically," he said.


It is hard to argue with that comment.
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ehBeth
 
  1  
Fri 20 Jun, 2014 07:34 am
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:
I don't think Air Force One would ever carry a wanted fugitive from another country


I can't be that optimistic.
 

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