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Snowdon is a dummy

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Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 18 Jun, 2014 10:13 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
I am not talking about legalities, Walter.

I am specifically answering questions about getting Edward Snowden off a plane...DESPITE ANNOYING LEGALITIES.
Snowden wasn't on the plane. The plane wasn't in the USA. Austria has own laws and is not an US-state.
Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 18 Jun, 2014 10:16 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
I am not talking about legalities, Walter.

I am specifically answering questions about getting Edward Snowden off a plane...DESPITE ANNOYING LEGALITIES.
Snowden wasn't on the plane. The plane wasn't in the USA. Austria has own laws and is not an US-state.


The question was a hypothetical. Walter.

Please try to keep up.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 18 Jun, 2014 10:21 am
@Frank Apisa,
Even hypothetically Austria isn't an US-state. And the US-occupation eneded earlier in Austria (in 1955) than in Germany (in 1991).
Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 18 Jun, 2014 10:27 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Even hypothetically Austria isn't an US-state. And the US-occupation eneded earlier in Austria (in 1955) than in Germany (in 1991).


Walter...I am sorry you think me so stupid, but I assure you that I am not.

You have explained that Edward Snowden was not on the plane in question. I KNEW THAT. Damn near everybody interested in this thing KNEW THAT...and still knows it. I have no idea of why you think me so stupid that I would not know it...since it was published in damn near every newspaper in the world...and report ad nauseum in our media.

You have explained that Austria is not a US state. I have no idea why you think I am so stupid that I think it is.

Can we stop this?

We are in disagreement on whether or not Edward Snowden should receive a fair trial on the charges facing him in the United States.

I think you are an intelligent individual discussing the case...and there is no reason for you to suppose I am stupid simply because we disagree.
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revelette2
 
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Wed 18 Jun, 2014 10:28 am
@BillRM,
Considering as far as I know we have never done it, the question is kind of moot, but I just don't think we would be so openly blatantly disrespectful of another country as to carry a wanted fugitive from another country to our country, it has international incident written all over it. Now if said fugitive was to come to our country, then that is another story.
revelette2
 
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Wed 18 Jun, 2014 10:33 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I think what Frank is getting at is that they stopped the plane on a flimsy excuse of having technical difficulties, they must have searched it to know he was not on the plane, so unofficially, they must have wanted to appease the US by searching the plane even though it is not legal nor do they owe the US anything.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 18 Jun, 2014 10:34 am
Why Spiegel is publishing these (new) documents: NSA in Germany: Why We Are Posting Secret Documents
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BillRM
 
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Wed 18 Jun, 2014 03:27 pm
@revelette2,
Quote:
disrespectful of another country as to carry a wanted fugitive from another country to our country, it has international incident written all over it


Not that I would myself think it would be disrespectful to grant political asylum to someone who had warn my nation of the massive spying being done to my citizens but take note they was not flying Snowden and this was done just in case and to the head of state of an up to that point friendly nation.

Very near an act of war.
Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 18 Jun, 2014 03:32 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
disrespectful of another country as to carry a wanted fugitive from another country to our country, it has international incident written all over it


Not that I would myself think it would be disrespectful to grant political asylum to someone who had warn my nation of the massive spying being done to my citizens but take note they was not flying Snowden and this was done just in case and to the head of state of an up to that point friendly nation.

Very near an act of war.


Ahh...lots of English words. Some delightful ones at that.

Did you cut up a book and then past together combinations of clippings hoping, unsuccessfully, to make a coherent comment on something?



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Olivier5
 
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Wed 18 Jun, 2014 07:55 pm
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:

Considering as far as I know we have never done it, the question is kind of moot, but I just don't think we would be so openly blatantly disrespectful of another country as to carry a wanted fugitive from another country to our country, it has international incident written all over it. Now if said fugitive was to come to our country, then that is another story.

Bill's original point was not about whether or not air force one would be likely to carry a fugitive. It was: imagine the outrage if air force one was forced to land and be searched by Austria or another nation.
JTT
 
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Wed 18 Jun, 2014 08:35 pm
@revelette2,
You are either incredibly naive, Rev, or incredibly dumb. Let's go with the former.
wmwcjr
 
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Wed 18 Jun, 2014 09:08 pm
@JTT,
Welcome back, JTT! Very Happy

(Of course, I'm sure my sentiment is not appreciated by certain A2K members. Twisted Evil )
JTT
 
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Wed 18 Jun, 2014 09:39 pm
@wmwcjr,
Only you & Finn matter, WM.
wmwcjr
 
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Wed 18 Jun, 2014 10:57 pm
@JTT,
That's a high compliment. Thanks! Smile


Finn matters; but I'm just a minor player here, as well as an outsider who doesn't fit in.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 18 Jun, 2014 11:47 pm
Seems that now quite a lot of Snowden's documents are going to be published:

http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w641/Walter_Hinteler/a_zpse8f047be.jpg

the Danish newspaper Dagbladet Information published some as well.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 19 Jun, 2014 12:37 am
@Walter Hinteler,
The NSA had top-secret spying agreements with 33 third-party countries, including Denmark, Germany, and 15 other European Union member states:

http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w641/Walter_Hinteler/2014-06-19_083615_zps3e7eae48.jpg
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 19 Jun, 2014 06:12 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Facebook is already trying to calm the situation.
If the ECJ decides similar to recent rulings re privacy, Facebook et. al. will have to store their European data in Europe.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 19 Jun, 2014 06:25 am
@Walter Hinteler,
The reason why the German government doesn't want Snowden to give testimony in Germany - "concern about the common good (public weal)" - are to be seen now from quite a different angle ...
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revelette2
 
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Thu 19 Jun, 2014 07:40 am
@Olivier5,
I don't see the point in speculating as it would never happen, but you all knock your self out if you want.
revelette2
 
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Thu 19 Jun, 2014 07:41 am
@JTT,
I've been wondering what happened to you. Guess you were on vacation or something.
 

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