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Snowdon is a dummy

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BillRM
 
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Wed 18 Jun, 2014 08:00 am
@revelette2,
My bet is that the US was hoping that someone would panic and just turn over Snowden once the plane was on the ground with Snowden aboard.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 18 Jun, 2014 08:05 am
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:
If Austria couldn't get Snowden off the plane, wonder why the US risked playing their hand to no purpose?
Actually, the Austrian authorities couldn't get Snowden out off the plane because he wasn't in it. And that's what the USA didn't know for sure.
revelette2
 
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Wed 18 Jun, 2014 08:14 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Yeah I know, I read it, but the officials said they didn't know how they would get him off the plane even if he was on it because ordinarily the cabin would be regarded as "that country’s sovereign domain."

Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 18 Jun, 2014 08:20 am
@revelette2,
When the search started that wasn't clear. Only later the Austrian foreign ministry informed the interior ministry about these difficulties. (The Austrian "border police" was asked by the CIA to do the search [Source: protocol Austrian parliament])
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 18 Jun, 2014 08:23 am
Spiegel just published 53 of Snowden's documents Germany-related ...
revelette2
 
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Wed 18 Jun, 2014 08:33 am
@Walter Hinteler,
So, did they find that out after they searched or during the search?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 18 Jun, 2014 08:33 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Holy mackerel! They did what they wanted to, and our agency BND was/is a compliant assistant ...
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 18 Jun, 2014 08:35 am
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:

So, did they find that out after they searched or during the search?
A group of lawmakers asked that. However, the answer isn't published.
According to "press sources", it happened after the search.
BillRM
 
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Wed 18 Jun, 2014 08:44 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Can you just picture someone forcing down and then searching airforce one!!!!
revelette2
 
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Wed 18 Jun, 2014 08:50 am
@BillRM,
I really doubt Air Force One would carry a wanted fugitive from another country in the first place. If it was some kind of political fugitive, I still doubt AFO would carry him/her, another kind of arrangement would be made some kind of way if one must be made, but I doubt we would do that either.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 18 Jun, 2014 08:51 am
@Walter Hinteler,
At least one NSA-member liked it here ...
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http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w641/Walter_Hinteler/a_zps7f473ff8.jpg
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 18 Jun, 2014 08:55 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Spiegel International: New NSA Revelations: Inside Snowden's Germany File

Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 18 Jun, 2014 09:24 am
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:

Yeah I know, I read it, but the officials said they didn't know how they would get him off the plane even if he was on it because ordinarily the cabin would be regarded as "that country’s sovereign domain."




My guess: Don't try to get him off the plane.

Just disable the plane...and allow anyone who tires of being on the plane to get off.

Shouldn't take too long to get everyone to come off under those circumstances.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 18 Jun, 2014 09:33 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
My guess: Don't try to get him off the plane.

Just disable the plane...and allow anyone who tires of being on the plane to get off.

Shouldn't take too long to get everyone to come off under those circumstances.

What could have been the legal reason for all that what you suggest?
I mean, there's a lot going on in Austria, but I doubt that they had started a war and kidnapped the Bolivian president.
BillRM
 
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Wed 18 Jun, 2014 09:34 am
@revelette2,
Quote:
I really doubt Air Force One would carry a wanted fugitive from another country


An why not if we was planning of granting political asylum to a very high profile person?

Once on the plane he or she would be legally on US soil and once more I can not see anyone doing what amount to an act of war in forcing down airforce one no matter who the hell might be on the plane.
Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 18 Jun, 2014 09:47 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
My guess: Don't try to get him off the plane.

Just disable the plane...and allow anyone who tires of being on the plane to get off.

Shouldn't take too long to get everyone to come off under those circumstances.

What could have been the legal reason for all that what you suggest?
I mean, there's a lot going on in Austria, but I doubt that they had started a war and kidnapped the Bolivian president.


The question was about getting Edward Snowden off a plane...and the suggestion was made the the interior of a plane is the sovereign territory of the country for whom it flies.

If a plane is asked to land because Edward Snowden may be aboard...and the pilot of the plane refuses to have the plane searched...ONE WAY TO deal with it would be to flatten all of its tires (disable the plane) and allow anyone who tires of being on board to get off.

Not sure what problem you are having with the suggestion, Walter, except that you simply do not want Edward Snowden to get a fair trial in the United States on the charges that he stole classified documents and released them to unauthorized people.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 18 Jun, 2014 09:57 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

Not sure what problem you are having with the suggestion, Walter, except that you simply do not want Edward Snowden to get a fair trial in the United States on the charges that he stole classified documents and released them to unauthorized people. [/b]
My problem are just legal ones. And that has been seen by Austria et. al.similar - thus they gave a formal excuse.

But you, Frank, certainly can correct my ignorance of law and give me the legal reason, why an American CIA-agent can order the Austrian authorities to stop the presidential Bolivian plane with the Bolivian president on it.
Thank you in advance!
Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 18 Jun, 2014 10:10 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

Not sure what problem you are having with the suggestion, Walter, except that you simply do not want Edward Snowden to get a fair trial in the United States on the charges that he stole classified documents and released them to unauthorized people. [/b]
My problem are just legal ones. And that has been seen by Austria et. al.similar - thus they gave a formal excuse.


I am not talking about legalities, Walter.

I am specifically answering questions about getting Edward Snowden off a plane...DESPITE ANNOYING LEGALITIES.

Quote:


But you, Frank, certainly can correct my ignorance of law and give me the legal reason, why an American CIA-agent can order the Austrian authorities to stop the presidential Bolivian plane with the Bolivian president on it.


Because they can do it...and get away with it.

I am not interested in whether it is legal or not. I am interested in answering the question about how to get Edward Snowden off a plane.

If legalities are really important to you...just get all countries to pass laws against terrorists committing terrorist attacks against them...and then there will be no more problems...

...RIGHT????

Quote:



Thank you in advance!


Hey Walter, no problem. Glad to be of help.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 18 Jun, 2014 10:11 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Officially, the Austrian Federal President has said that there was no reason to stop and/or to search the Bolivian plane. Austrian authorities had no legal reason for it, besides that it would have been against international law and treaties. (The official reason for landing, according to the President was that the plane had had technical difficulties.)
Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 18 Jun, 2014 10:12 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Officially, the Austrian Federal President has said that there was no reason to stop and/or to search the Bolivian plane. Austrian authorities had no legal reason for it, besides that it would have been against international law and treaties. (The official reason for landing, according to the President was that the plane had had technical difficulties.)


Whatever works!
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