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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
BillRM
 
  2  
Fri 6 Jun, 2014 06:04 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
You have a right to your opinion...no matter how wrong it is.


The same opinion that is share by a large number of CEOs of major internet connected firms and the same opinion of the net going dark that is back every day by news stories.

An you opinion is base on what? The unreasonable fear of the evil and all powerful terrorists that to fight we will need to surrender most of our rights under the bill of rights?
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Fri 6 Jun, 2014 07:53 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
You have a right to your opinion...no matter how wrong it is.


The same opinion that is share by a large number of CEOs of major internet connected firms and the same opinion of the net going dark that is back every day by news stories.


CEO's are entitled to their opinions...no matter how wrong some of them may be.

Quote:
An you opinion is base on what?


Which opinion?

My opinion that spying has been going on for centuries...and is going on right now is based on facts. Are you contesting that spying has been going on...or are you contesting that spying is going on right now?


Quote:


The unreasonable fear of the evil and all powerful terrorists that to fight we will need to surrender most of our rights under the bill of rights?


We are not surrendering most of our rights under the Bill of Rights...and the changes that ARE being made (far from "most") are part of a changing world that you apparently are not able to come to grips with.

Privacy (the kind you are talking about) is a thing of the past. It is not about fear...it is about technological progress.

Learn to deal with it.
BillRM
 
  2  
Fri 6 Jun, 2014 08:17 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Privacy (the kind you are talking about) is a thing of the past. It is not about fear...it is about technological progress.


LOL you are an expert on technology!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

An expert that does not know about or understand end to end unbreakable encryption or such networks as TOR that allow you to bounce you communication around the damn planet in an untraceable manner

Let see for the fun of it let me boot up tor and watch it bounce the rest of this posting around the planet.............. in a manner that can not be trace back to me and the last few words of this posting in coming from Romania
IP Address: 93.114.45.194 and that is where any trace would dead end.

For someone with no real knowledge or understanding of technology Frank I am very impress with how firm your opinions happen to be and how proudly you are willing to express them and placed your opinions on the same level as people who do have an understanding of the technology.

Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Fri 6 Jun, 2014 08:26 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Privacy (the kind you are talking about) is a thing of the past. It is not about fear...it is about technological progress.


LOL you are an expert on technology!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

An expert that does not know about or understand end to end unbreakable encryption or such networks as TOR that allow you to bounce you communication around the damn planet in an untraceable manner

Let see for the fun of it let me boot up tor and watch it bounce the rest of this posting around the planet.............. in a manner that can not be trace back to me and the last few words of this posting in coming from Romania
IP Address: 93.114.45.194 and that is where any trace would dead end.

For someone with no real knowledge or understanding of technology Frank I am very impress with how firm your opinions happen to be and how proudly you are willing to express them and placed your opinions on the same level as people who do have an understanding of the technology.




Yeah, sure.

Answer the questions I asked in my last post.
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BillRM
 
  1  
Fri 6 Jun, 2014 08:43 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Maybe I am wrong Frank and you do have an understanding of the technology of the net that allow you to broadcast your opinions around the world in such a firm manner.

You could for example off hand know what CBC stand for and why it is far better then ECB and of course you might know about ports and the difference between IPV4 and IPV6 and why you would not used TCP and would used UDP in streaming videos?

You might just be an expert and know the thousands and one details of the foundations of the internet and be able to back your opinions up.
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RABEL222
 
  1  
Sat 7 Jun, 2014 12:29 am
@Walter Hinteler,
We also have prosecutors who are "civil servants" who do as their told by the politicians of both political parties. I'll bet its no different in Germany or any other country. Prosecute persons unknown is more political garbage that will give your media something to print until it gets to be old news and than will die a natural death. But go ahead and brag about your public prosecutors if it makes you happy.
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Sat 7 Jun, 2014 01:02 am
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:
We also have prosecutors who are "civil servants" who do as their told by the politicians of both political parties. I'll bet its no different in Germany or any other country.
It is different. The politicians have no say what they have to do but that's regulated in laws: Criminal Procedure Code (StPO), Courts Constitution Act (GVG), and various bylaws.
The structure is hierarchical - so indeed the state ministers of justice resp. the federal minister of justice have some say. But that's a) only politician from the actually governing party, and b) only related to legal and technical oversight regarding the civil servant status.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Sat 7 Jun, 2014 01:04 am
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:
Prosecute persons unknown is more political garbage ...
As said: this is a really normal procedure in the prosecution here = most investigations start with it. (In 2012, it were 3.4 million investigations against unknown persons started by prosecution offices in all Germany according to data provided by Federal Statistics Office.)
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BillRM
 
  2  
Sat 7 Jun, 2014 06:53 am
Quote:


http://threatpost.com/on-snowden-anniversary-microsoft-calls-for-surveillance-reform/106484

by Michael Mimoso June 5, 2014 , 2:25 pm
On the anniversary of the first news reports on NSA surveillance, Microsoft general counsel Brad Smith seized the opportunity to draw a line in the sand with the U.S. government.

Smith challenged the government curtail surveillance because it’s hurting business and impaling privacy and civil liberties.

Smith framed his comments around a recent customer trip to Europe where he fielded numerous questions about how Microsoft is protecting customer data and the impact the NSA’s surveillance, hacking of data center links and alleged subversion of encryption standards is having on cloud adoption and technology innovation.

“People won’t use technology they don’t trust. We need to strike a better balance between privacy and national security to restore trust and uphold our fundamental liberties,” Smith wrote in a blogpost.

A year ago, the Guardian published its first reports about the NSA’s bulk collection of phone call information from carrier Verizon based on documents provided by an unnamed contractor. Soon thereafter, the world became intimately familiar with Edward Snowden, metadata and secret courts.

Since then, it’s been revealed that the U.S. government, along with overseas partners, including Britain’s GCHQ, have built a complex surveillance infrastructure bent on collecting not only phone call metadata, but email and Internet traffic—even if it’s protected by encryption.

“These disclosures rightly have prompted a vigorous debate over the extent and scope of government surveillance, leading to some positive changes,” Smith said. “But much more needs to be done.”

Microsoft has been among the handful of major technology companies fighting for increased transparency in reporting government requests for customer data. Microsoft fought back after being implicated last July in a set of Snowden documents that it cooperated with U.S. intelligence by giving the NSA pre-encryption access to Skype, easier access to data stored by SkyDrive and that it helped the NSA sidestep its encryption on it Outlook.com portal.

Smith and Microsoft executives have long held firm that they cooperated only when legally compelled to do so. This prompted Microsoft and others to petition the Justice Department for permission to publish better data about requests for customer data, including National Security Letters. The government relented earlier this year, allowing companies to publish such data in particular ranges of numbers.

In the meantime, Smith took advantage of the Snowden anniversary to lay out five things he’d like to see the government change.

U.S. search warrants, Smith said, should end at the U.S. border.
U.S. search warrants, Smith said, should end at the U.S. border. No doubt responding to foreign partners’ concerns, Smith expressed concerns about the government using warrants to compel companies for the content of non-U.S. customer communications stored outside the U.S.

“The U.S. government wouldn’t stand for other governments seeking to serve search warrants within American borders to seize the content of U.S. citizens’ emails without going through U.S. legal process,” Smith wrote. “Why should it expect other governments to react any differently?”

Smith also put out a call to beef up impending legislation such as the USA FREEDOM Act to prohibit bulk collection of phone records.

Smith also said the secret FISA Court must introduce an adversarial process to its proceedings, something President Obama said in January would happen.

“There remains a fundamental truth about legal disputes: a judge who hears only one side of a case is less likely to render a just result,” Smith said. “Congress needs to recognize and act on the need for FISA Court reform.”

Like other technology leaders, Microsoft said it will continue to expand its use of encryption on its products and services in order to further frustrate the NSA’s efforts to hack data centers and links between those locations. Smith also decried the government’s continued silence about these activities.

Finally, he called for increased transparency, saying that it will not undermine national security.

Smith pointed out that the 225th anniversary of the Bill of Rights is also at hand, including the Fourth Amendment protecting against unreasonable searches.

“By definition it is up to our own generation to preserve this fundamental constitutional protection. The advance of technology makes these issues even more important,” Smith said. “Now is the time to act.”
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Sat 7 Jun, 2014 07:18 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:


http://threatpost.com/on-snowden-anniversary-microsoft-calls-for-surveillance-reform/106484

by Michael Mimoso June 5, 2014 , 2:25 pm
On the anniversary of the first news reports on NSA surveillance, Microsoft general counsel Brad Smith seized the opportunity to draw a line in the sand with the U.S. government.

Smith challenged the government curtail surveillance because it’s hurting business and impaling privacy and civil liberties.

Smith framed his comments around a recent customer trip to Europe where he fielded numerous questions about how Microsoft is protecting customer data and the impact the NSA’s surveillance, hacking of data center links and alleged subversion of encryption standards is having on cloud adoption and technology innovation.

“People won’t use technology they don’t trust. We need to strike a better balance between privacy and national security to restore trust and uphold our fundamental liberties,” Smith wrote in a blogpost.

A year ago, the Guardian published its first reports about the NSA’s bulk collection of phone call information from carrier Verizon based on documents provided by an unnamed contractor. Soon thereafter, the world became intimately familiar with Edward Snowden, metadata and secret courts.

Since then, it’s been revealed that the U.S. government, along with overseas partners, including Britain’s GCHQ, have built a complex surveillance infrastructure bent on collecting not only phone call metadata, but email and Internet traffic—even if it’s protected by encryption.

“These disclosures rightly have prompted a vigorous debate over the extent and scope of government surveillance, leading to some positive changes,” Smith said. “But much more needs to be done.”

Microsoft has been among the handful of major technology companies fighting for increased transparency in reporting government requests for customer data. Microsoft fought back after being implicated last July in a set of Snowden documents that it cooperated with U.S. intelligence by giving the NSA pre-encryption access to Skype, easier access to data stored by SkyDrive and that it helped the NSA sidestep its encryption on it Outlook.com portal.

Smith and Microsoft executives have long held firm that they cooperated only when legally compelled to do so. This prompted Microsoft and others to petition the Justice Department for permission to publish better data about requests for customer data, including National Security Letters. The government relented earlier this year, allowing companies to publish such data in particular ranges of numbers.

In the meantime, Smith took advantage of the Snowden anniversary to lay out five things he’d like to see the government change.

U.S. search warrants, Smith said, should end at the U.S. border.
U.S. search warrants, Smith said, should end at the U.S. border. No doubt responding to foreign partners’ concerns, Smith expressed concerns about the government using warrants to compel companies for the content of non-U.S. customer communications stored outside the U.S.

“The U.S. government wouldn’t stand for other governments seeking to serve search warrants within American borders to seize the content of U.S. citizens’ emails without going through U.S. legal process,” Smith wrote. “Why should it expect other governments to react any differently?”

Smith also put out a call to beef up impending legislation such as the USA FREEDOM Act to prohibit bulk collection of phone records.

Smith also said the secret FISA Court must introduce an adversarial process to its proceedings, something President Obama said in January would happen.

“There remains a fundamental truth about legal disputes: a judge who hears only one side of a case is less likely to render a just result,” Smith said. “Congress needs to recognize and act on the need for FISA Court reform.”

Like other technology leaders, Microsoft said it will continue to expand its use of encryption on its products and services in order to further frustrate the NSA’s efforts to hack data centers and links between those locations. Smith also decried the government’s continued silence about these activities.

Finally, he called for increased transparency, saying that it will not undermine national security.

Smith pointed out that the 225th anniversary of the Bill of Rights is also at hand, including the Fourth Amendment protecting against unreasonable searches.

“By definition it is up to our own generation to preserve this fundamental constitutional protection. The advance of technology makes these issues even more important,” Smith said. “Now is the time to act.”



Wow...Brad Smith has drawn a line in the sand with the US government.

"I'll bet the US government is just quaking in its boots," he said sarcastically.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Sat 7 Jun, 2014 07:47 am
@Frank Apisa,
It has been as well in the news yestraday:

Quote:
The NSA's mass surveillance practices must be stopped, companies say

In honor of the “Reset the Net” campaign urging Internet users to take things into their own hands and encrypt their own communications, US tech giants are taking another hit at the lawmakers that are supposed to protect people’s right to privacy.
Source
Quote:
Dear Members of the Senate:

It’s been a year since the first headlines alleging the extent of government surveillance on the Internet.

We understand that governments have a duty to protect their citizens. But the balance in many countries has tipped too far in favor of the state and away from the rights of the individual. This undermines the freedoms we all cherish, and it must change.

Over the last year many of our companies have taken important steps, including further strengthening the security of our services and taking action to increase transparency. But the government needs to do more.

In the next few weeks, the Senate has the opportunity to demonstrate leadership and pass a version of the USA Freedom Act that would help restore the confidence of Internet users here and around the world, while keeping citizens safe.

Unfortunately, the version that just passed the House of Representatives could permit bulk collection of Internet “metadata” (e.g. who you email and who emails you), something that the Administration and Congress said they intended to end. Moreover, while the House bill permits some transparency, it is critical to our customers that the bill allow companies to provide even greater detail about the number and type of government requests they receive for customer information.

It is in the best interest of the United States to resolve these issues. Confidence in the Internet, both in the U.S. and internationally, has been badly damaged over the last year. It is time for action. As the Senate takes up this important legislation, we urge you to ensure that U.S. surveillance efforts are clearly restricted by law, proportionate to the risks, transparent, and subject to independent oversight.

Signed,

Tim Armstrong, AOL Tim Cook, Apple Drew Houston, Dropbox Mark Zuckerberg, Facebook Larry Page, Google Jeff Weiner, LinkedIn Dick Costolo, Twitter Satya Nadella, Microsoft Marissa Mayer, Yahoo!


Source Open Letter
BillRM
 
  1  
Sat 7 Jun, 2014 08:01 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Wow...Brad Smith has drawn a line in the sand with the US government.

"I'll bet the US government is just quaking in its boots," he said sarcastically.


Do you think that the US is all powerful and can stand against the combine power of the people who created the internet in the first place and know the steps that need to be taken to secure the right to privacy on the net with or without the US government cooperation?

The only results of the US government not cooperating is that the net will go dark must faster and that US businesses will be shut out of taking part in the forming of the future of the net.

As I had posted before people are already had started moving offshore to be out of the reach of the US government in the development of internet security and computer network security software and hardware.
Frank Apisa
 
  2  
Sat 7 Jun, 2014 08:03 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Well...I think you know my position on this, Walter, since I have stated it many, many times.

I'll add something here:

ANYONE who says or writes anything over the Internet; via email; or on a cell phone who would feel uncomfortable if the message showed up on a billboard on the busiest highway in his/her state...IS NUTS.

I do not care who reads what I write on the Internet...I do not care who reads what I send in emails...I do not care who hears what I say on my cell phone.

Period.

If there is anything I want to keep private...I do it by not using those facilities.

We can pass laws against privacy invasion...but they will be about as effective as laws against hurricanes or tornadoes.

Privacy is a thing of the past...or a thing obtained by simply keeping the guarded material to yourself.
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Sat 7 Jun, 2014 08:05 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Wow...Brad Smith has drawn a line in the sand with the US government.

"I'll bet the US government is just quaking in its boots," he said sarcastically.


Do you think that the US is all powerful and can stand against the combine power of the people who created the internet in the first place and know the steps that need to be taken to secure the right to privacy on the net with or without the US government cooperation?


I think if those people think they can maintain privacy for people who use the Internet...THEY ARE NUTS.

That's what I think.


Quote:
The only results of the US government not cooperating is that the net will go dark must faster and that US businesses will be shut out of taking part in the forming of the future of the net.


Okay!
BillRM
 
  2  
Sat 7 Jun, 2014 08:14 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
ANYONE who says or writes anything over the Internet; via email; or on a cell phone who would feel uncomfortable if the message showed up on a billboard on the busiest highway in his/her state...IS NUTS.


An you once more Frank you are reaching conclusions without any background on the technology of the internet or the current state of the art of encryption.

I send private information over the net all the time in complete security using open source programs that encrypted the files using state of the art ciphers such as AES or blowfish or.........
BillRM
 
  2  
Sat 7 Jun, 2014 08:18 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
can maintain privacy for people who use the Internet...THEY ARE NUTS.

That's what I think.


You had reached that conclusion how repeat how as you seems not to know a damn thing about any of the technology underpinning of the net.

Just your religion faith is an all powerful US government?
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Sat 7 Jun, 2014 08:34 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
ANYONE who says or writes anything over the Internet; via email; or on a cell phone who would feel uncomfortable if the message showed up on a billboard on the busiest highway in his/her state...IS NUTS.


An you once more Frank you are reaching conclusions without any background on the technology of the internet or the current state of the art of encryption.

I send private information over the net all the time in complete security using open source programs that encrypted the files using state of the art ciphers such as AES or blowfish or.........


Fine. So you have insured your privacy.

So???
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Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Sat 7 Jun, 2014 08:35 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
can maintain privacy for people who use the Internet...THEY ARE NUTS.

That's what I think.


You had reached that conclusion how repeat how as you seems not to know a damn thing about any of the technology underpinning of the net.

Just your religion faith is an all powerful US government?


Fine. So you are a technical genius...and have insured your privacy twice.

So???
BillRM
 
  2  
Sat 7 Jun, 2014 09:14 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Fine. So you are a technical genius


Wrong except in comparison to you I am not a technical genius however unlike you I know enough to have faith in those who are indeed technical geniuses.

Olivier5
 
  2  
Sat 7 Jun, 2014 09:27 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
I'll bet the US government is just quaking in its boots

Obama could be brought down by this... I bet you he IS shitting in his pants.
 

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