Snowdon is a dummy

oralloy wrote:

If anyone wishes to have a trade war with us, we should be able to accommodate them.

Should is one thing. Could you accommodate them if they did?

The US is the main driver of globalisation and here you are playing the little isolationist for the numptie gallery.

oralloy wrote:

The fact that the US tries to prevent terrorism does not make the US responsible for Snowden betraying us to the terrorists.

Nonsense as there had been no showing that massive spying had been of any benefit in stopping terrorism.

oralloy wrote:

If anyone wishes to have a trade war with us, we should be able to accommodate them.

This is not for the most part driven by governments actions but by the fact that there is a lack of trust in regards to hardware and software and cloud services produce by American firms by both individuals and companies and that this distrust also extend to American citizens and American companies.

So for example given a choice between EU produce software or hardware and US produce software/hardware a wise firm even if American would buy from the EU not from the US.

while everyone is talking about Snowdon who still enjoys what is left of his freedom and his growing celebrity everyday, who is doing anything for Chelsea Manning? If Snowdon is acquitted on all charges, will that have any impact on Chelsea Manning's fate?

Sorry but Snowden deserves the Nobel Peace Prize

General James Clapper deserves a fair trial for lying to congress and the courts along with a hell of a lot of other members of our out of control intelligence community.

Just because the laws and constitution breakers are members of the administration does not mean that they should get away with breaking the laws themselves while bringing charges against the man who whistle blow on them.

The secret acts was not design to be a tool to cover up high crimes and misdemeanors.

Obama and his police state are going to receive a fair trial. You should rejoice instead of whining about it.

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BOTTOM LINE: In my opinion, the guy deserves a fair trial no matter that so many of you think he not be allowed to get one.

Obama and his police state are going to receive a fair trial. You should rejoice instead of whining about it.

Will try to respond later to the hysteria of the America and Obama haters.

They are investigating against "unknown persons". Since Tuesday.

That the US tries to hunt down terrorists is not something that should concern many corporations.

It certainly isn't a valid reason for avoiding American products, and we will be well within our rights to retaliate for such behavior.

It certainly isn't a valid reason for avoiding American products, and we will be well within our rights to retaliate for such behavior.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/22/business/fallout-from-snowden-hurting-bottom-line-of-tech-companies.html

SAN FRANCISCO — Microsoft has lost customers, including the government of Brazil.

IBM is spending more than a billion dollars to build data centers overseas to reassure foreign customers that their information is safe from prying eyes in the United States government.

And tech companies abroad, from Europe to South America, say they are gaining customers that are shunning United States providers, suspicious because of the revelations by Edward J. Snowden that tied these providers to the National Security Agency’s vast surveillance program.

Even as Washington grapples with the diplomatic and political fallout of Mr. Snowden’s leaks, the more urgent issue, companies and analysts say, is economic. Technology executives, including Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook, raised the issue when they went to the White House on Friday for a meeting with President Obama.


"IBM said in January that it would spend $1.2 billion to build 15 new data centers, including in London, Hong Kong and Sydney, Australia, to...

It is impossible to see now the full economic ramifications of the spying disclosures — in part because most companies are locked in multiyear contracts — but the pieces are beginning to add up as businesses question the trustworthiness of American technology products.

Who are the unknown persons?

How can you investigate unknown persons?

It is kind of mind boggling trying to figure out how you investigate against unknown persons.

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That the US tries to hunt down terrorists is not something that should concern many corporations.

It certainly isn't a valid reason for avoiding American products, and we will be well within our rights to retaliate for such behavior.

Having back doors in your software and your hardware so the US government can at it whim spy on your firm in secret is one hell of a large concern for not only foreign but also American firms.

No firm is going to welcome such extra legal spying and few if any is going to buy into the idea that such spying is only focus on some terrorist threats as in the spying we now know was done in trade negotiations.

Nor is there any guarantee that once back doors are in your software and hardware other actors other then the US intelligent community will not find them and then made use of those back doors.

So their investigation is not that the fact the US spied, but who in the NSA did the spying? Individuals in the NSA who work for the NSA? At then end, are they going to be arresting Americans who work for NSA when NSA spied on Germany?

I mean, the Obama administration and NSA is not unknown persons, if Germany know spying was done during the Obama administration, then the persons were not unknown. So you must mean individuals who work for the NSA agency.

But its not unknown who did the spying, the US government did, Obama as the President of the US is certainly not unknown.

revelette2 wrote:

But its not unknown who did the spying, the US government did, Obama as the President of the US is certainly not unknown.

The investigation is against persons or a person.

Even if (!) the investigation would get the result that Obama did it - he has as head of state diplomatic immunity.
But I seriously doubt that anyone thinks, the president of the U.S.A. was sitting in a dark room in his Berlin embassy and listening to Merkel talking on the phone.

You are kidding yourself if you think the spying is not going to be done.

Nothing wrong with kidding yourself. Do it as much as you want. But no matter how fervently you kid yourself...

...it will still be kidding yourself.