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@Frank Apisa,

I'm not the pm, but I do think it should be done, at least before they're used to attack Iran.

@cicerone imposter,

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The NSA's interception of electronic traffic of US citizens doesn't affect our "freedoms" if they don't act on anything they learn from them.

This is a ridiculous statement.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

Moment-in-Time wrote:
LOL! It's very difficult to get blood from a stone. You have answered to the best of your ability and the powers that be can ask no more.

I'm sure it is, but I have shown three concrete, indisputable benefits America gains from the 'special relationship.' All you and Frank are able to offer are rather nebulous benefits at best.

If you are not getting commensurate return for the relationship...do your best to terminate the relationship.

Obviously your government thinks it is getting "decent compensation" for it "friendship" (whatever the hell that means)...so you will probably have some trouble doing it.

But do it.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

I'm not the pm, but I do think it should be done, at least before they're used to attack Iran.

Then get the PM to do it...or vote in another PM...or go with the absolutely unthinkable...

...that maybe most British people do not agree with you at all.

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@Walter Hinteler,

That what you get for not having a first amendment level of protection.

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@Frank Apisa,

I'm sure they don't, which is why I'm drowning under an avalanche of British posters saying we should keep armed foreign troops on our soil.

You may have noticed that the opinions of the French, British and German posters on this topic are not that different.

You're the only ones who seem to think the CIA should have carte blanche.

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@maxdancona,

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@cicerone imposter,
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The NSA's interception of electronic traffic of US citizens doesn't affect our "freedoms" if they don't act on anything they learn from them.

This is a ridiculous statement.

Agree one thousand percents or more.

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@BillRM,

Stick it up your arse, we don't have children being murdered for carrying a bag of sweets and a can of pop.

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@izzythepush,

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which is why I'm drowning under an avalanche of British posters saying we should keep armed foreign troops on our soil.

LOL I am surprise that you even allowed your own troops to be armed with anything more deadly then 5 joules air rifles.

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@BillRM,

You really are stupid.

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@izzythepush,

Not only that ...

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@izzythepush,

Great! I am with you. I've been for the U S of A getting out of all foreign countries for 30 years but seem to be a miniority. We could reduce our military to just the amount needed to protect our borders. Not only could we quit fighting everybodys wars and save billions but get away from people like you and JTT. Let China replace us who cares.

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@maxdancona,

Just declaring something "ridiculous" doesn't say anything. Explain yourself?

Most of that "traffic" that they seem to follow are innocuous; there's nothing there for anybody to worry about. They're looking for crimes and criminals.

As I've already stated, your private lives are already being "followed" by commercial enterprises; they know more about you than you think they do.

Nothing is "that" private in this world of today.

That you all participate on these social networks proves your privacy isn't all that important. Otherwise, you would stay away.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

I'm sure they don't, which is why I'm drowning under an avalanche of British posters saying we should keep armed foreign troops on our soil.

You may have noticed that the opinions of the French, British and German posters on this topic are not that different.

You're the only ones who seem to think the CIA should have carte blanche.

Where have I ever said or inferred that the CIA should have carte blanche?

I have not.

I have said that every major power ever to exist on this planet has flexed its muscle more than other powers like.

I have said that there are things the government deems necessary to protect the citizens from further terroristic activity...that many people feel suck.

I have even said that maybe the terrorists HAVE WON.

But I think the obligation of a government to protect its citizens requires that leaders make decisions...and we either go along with those decisions or vote the government out.

Here in America...voting out the current crop and putting in the ones who want to take their place would almost certainly lead to even greater measures.

So...where do you want to go with this?

Do you want to be the leader...and disregard the will of what appears to be the majority of the people...and do what you want to do rather than what that majority wants to do?

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@RABEL222,

Everybody's wars? Iraq and Afghanistan were wholly yours.

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@Frank Apisa,

Protecting your citizens shouldn't involve threatening ours.

The CIA certainly acts as if it's got carte blanche, and we are treated very differently from those who can vote your government out.

At the very least, European governments should withdraw cooperation until their citizens get the same level of protection from the intrusions of the CIA and American citizens. It's not as if we're a hostile power.

Public interest in US bases tends to rise when they've been used for nefarious activities like extraordinary rendition. If, they're ever used to attack Iran expect a big outcry.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

Protecting your citizens shouldn't involve threatening ours.

The CIA certainly acts as if it's got carte blanche, and we are treated very differently from those who can vote your government out.

At the very least, European governments should withdraw cooperation until their citizens get the same level of protection from the intrusions of the CIA and American citizens. It's not as if we're a hostile power.

Public interest in US bases tends to rise when they've been used for nefarious activities like extraordinary rendition. If, they're ever used to attack Iran expect a big outcry.

Izzy...if you hate the US as much as you seem to...try to get your government to declare war against us.

Try to get all the other countries of the world to join you in condemning us...and form an alliance to wipe us from the Earth.

I do not know what else to say.

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@izzythepush,

You wrote,

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At the very least, European governments should withdraw cooperation until their citizens get the same level of protection from the intrusions of the CIA and American citizens. It's not as if we're a hostile power.

This belongs on the laffer curve. Intelligence sharing have been ongoing for decades between our countries. If you think otherwise, you are very naive.

Think Interpol.
From Wiki.

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Interpol
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This article is about the police organization. For other uses, see Interpol (disambiguation).
For the band, see Interpol (band).
International Criminal Police Organization – INTERPOL
Common name Interpol
Abbreviation ICPO

Logo of the International Criminal Police Organization – INTERPOL.
Agency overview
Formed 7 September 1923
Employees 673 (2011)[1]
Annual budget €70 million (2012)[2]
Legal personality Governmental: Government agency
Jurisdictional structure
International agency
Countries 190 member states
Governing body Interpol General Assembly
Constituting instrument ICPO-INTERPOL Constitution and General Regulations
General nature
Law enforcement
Civilian agency
Operational structure
Headquarters Lyon, France
Agency executives
Mireille Balestrazzi, President
Ronald Noble, Secretary General
Facilities
National Central Bureaus 190
Website
interpol.int
Footnotes
languages (4)[show]

Interpol headquarters in Lyon.
Coordinates: 45.78219°N 4.84838°E The International Criminal Police Organization (ICPO, French: Organisation internationale de Police Criminelle – OIPC), or INTERPOL, is an intergovernmental organization facilitating international police cooperation. It was established as the International Criminal Police Commission (ICPC) in 1923 and adopted its telegraphic address as its common name in 1956.[3]
Interpol has an annual budget of around €70 million most of which is provided through annual contributions by its membership of 190 countries. The organization's headquarters is in Lyon, France. It is the second largest intergovernmental organization after the United Nations by member states. In 2011, the Interpol General Secretariat employed a staff of 673 representing 93 member countries.[1] Its current Secretary-General is Ronald Noble, a former United States Under Secretary of the Treasury for Enforcement. Succeeding Khoo Boon Hui, its current President is Deputy Central Director of the French Judicial Police Mireille Balestrazzi.
In order to maintain as politically neutral a role as possible, Interpol's constitution forbids it to undertake any interventions or activities of a political, military, religious, or racial nature.[4] Its work focuses primarily on public safety, terrorism, organized crime, crimes against humanity, environmental crime, genocide, war crimes, piracy, illicit traffic in works of art, illicit drug production, drug trafficking, weapons smuggling, human trafficking, money laundering, child pornography, white-collar crime, computer crime, intellectual property crime and corruption.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Think Interpol.

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Interpol
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This article is about the police organization.

Just to show the "small" difference between secret agencies and police organistions .... oops, there isn't an International Secret Agency Organisation ...

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