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Snowdon is a dummy

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Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 12 Jul, 2013 11:26 am
US-German talks begin on NSA spying allegations
DW wrote:
[...] Germany's interior minister has begun talks at the White House over claims that the US snooped on German citizens. Germany's opposition Social Democrats urged Hans-Peter Friedrich to seek answers and avoid "show talks."

Senior German and US officials held talks in Washington on Friday over claims by the whistleblower Edward Snowden of mass US surveillance of communications, including private data of German citizens.

Visiting the White House, Friedrich met a security advisor to President Barack Obama, Lisa Monaco. They agreed to more transparency on secret service issues, according to the German news agency DPA. Friedrich was also due to meet US Attorney General Eric Holder, before attending a press conference.

Earlier, Friedrich's spokesman, Jens Teschke, had said the interior minister would seek to "restore trust that had been lost" and to make clear that "Germans have a special sensitivity to the topics of the private sphere and data privacy."
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cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 12 Jul, 2013 11:27 am
@Walter Hinteler,
What you seem to be missing is what their mission is.
Quote:
Its work focuses primarily on public safety, terrorism, organized crime, crimes against humanity, environmental crime, genocide, war crimes, piracy, illicit traffic in works of art, illicit drug production, drug trafficking, weapons smuggling, human trafficking, money laundering, child pornography, white-collar crime, computer crime, intellectual property crime and corruption.


How do you think they perform those tasks?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 12 Jul, 2013 11:38 am
@cicerone imposter,
It don't have seen anything until now that Snowdon has leaked about police work. Can you give me the source about that, c.i., or a link?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 12 Jul, 2013 11:38 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
How do you think they perform those tasks?
According to the law. (Any police officer is taught such at college or university - those departments are called "Public Law with a Focus on Police Law and incl. International Law and European Law" or similar)
If they do otherwise, they'll not only loose their job but get fined or go in prison as well.
cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 12 Jul, 2013 12:00 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
You continue to say it's illegal, but what processes do they use to actually perform their intelligence against those (police/international) crimes listed.

Let's just pick one; terrorism. If they don't listen to telecommunications or investigate emails, how do they do any investigation?

Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 12 Jul, 2013 12:02 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
(Any police officer is taught such at college or university - those departments are called "Public Law with a Focus on Police Law and incl. International Law and European Law" or similar)
At our Police University (I've done with the history institute there some projects), they've at the above mentioned department an institute ("Centre for Security and Society") which examines and researches the exchange of data between different police agencies in the European Union and third party countries. There are (still in work, I think) some PhD-thesis about this topic - but that's all police-related and has nothing to do with secret services and how they work.
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mark noble
 
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Fri 12 Jul, 2013 12:04 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Your perception of 'brits' is governed by your elitist-owned media.
Switch off fella, you are SERIOUSLY being misled.
But I like that you are gullible.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 12 Jul, 2013 12:04 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I only can guess that our police works differently to yours, c.i..

Our police doesn't spy. That what the secret services do.

Our police must obey the law.
They work with a lawful mandate.
mark noble
 
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Fri 12 Jul, 2013 12:06 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
lol.
Unless they are beating some innocent black geezer to death....eh?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 12 Jul, 2013 12:07 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
You wrote,
Quote:
I only can guess that our police works differently to yours, c.i..

Our police doesn't spy. That what the secret services do.

Our police must obey the law.
They work with a lawful mandate.


You're not answering my question. Those are your assumptions; that they follow the laws. I've seen no proof, nor how they perform their research and investigation to identify and followup on potential crimes.
Olivier5
 
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Fri 12 Jul, 2013 12:12 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
That you all participate on these social networks proves your privacy isn't all that important. Otherwise, you would stay away.

I chose what I share here. Or at least I think I am...

Thank God there are Wikileaks, Assange, Snowdon, etc... At least we've got some idea of what those jokers in Langley are up to.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 12 Jul, 2013 12:14 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Let's just pick one; terrorism. If they don't listen to telecommunications or investigate emails, how do they do any investigation?
Okay, let's take this example.

There must be a "Anfangsverdacht" (initial suspicion). The prosecution office orders the criminal investigation department to start investigations.
If the police officers think, they need to listen to to telecommunictions or investigate emails to do so, the prosecution makes a relevant request to the court. The judge gets evidence from the police and gives his ruling (there are a couple of relevant different laws, which I'm NOT going to translate)
mark noble
 
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Fri 12 Jul, 2013 12:18 pm
@Olivier5,
I have a friend at Langley.
You are correct.
But, there is a 'higher' agenda.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 12 Jul, 2013 12:18 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
Those are your assumptions; that they follow the laws. I've seen no proof, nor how they perform their research and investigation to identify and follow up on potential crimes.
That are not just my assumption but my knowledge. (I know as well that some try to avoid these procedures and get the facts straight before going to court - but since that can't be used at a trial ....)

If you want see how they work - try to get invited at some police department which handles such.
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Olivier5
 
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Fri 12 Jul, 2013 12:25 pm
@mark noble,
I used to know a few of them too and they were pretty clueless.

What's the 'higher' agenda?
mark noble
 
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Fri 12 Jul, 2013 12:31 pm
@Olivier5,
Too high for you.
mark noble
 
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Fri 12 Jul, 2013 12:32 pm
@Olivier5,
Are you a yank?
Olivier5
 
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Fri 12 Jul, 2013 12:35 pm
@mark noble,
Nope. A Frog.
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Olivier5
 
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Fri 12 Jul, 2013 12:36 pm
@mark noble,
Nothing is too high for me. Smile
mark noble
 
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Fri 12 Jul, 2013 12:46 pm
@Olivier5,
If you were a yank.......... Emigrate by Aug 13.
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