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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 11 Jul, 2013 10:57 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
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This isn't the Third Reich, Red China, Russia, North Korea or Cuba.
I agree. But with that control, we're are in the very same position what we condem there.
JTT
 
  1  
Thu 11 Jul, 2013 11:01 pm
@Brandon9000,
Quote:
First of all, I am only saying that I don't like brutal dictatorships. Surely I'm allowed to make that judgement.


That leaves a person who is dishonest in an impossible dilemma, Brandon. The USA has always supported the most brutal of dictators. Virtually every illegal invasion perpetrated by the US, some 200 and counting, has seen a brutal dictator installed.


Quote:
I should also point out that I'm not really telling the "country" of Cuba, since most of the country isn't allowed to participate in the government anyway. I am telling the dictators who rule Cuba.


You should also point out that under the dictators the US installed, no one could speak out either. Torture, rape, murder was commonplace. As has already been mentioned, the US never cared about the Cuban people. It was only interested in exploiting them to steal the Cuban people's wealth.

“Things come apart so easily when they have been held together with lies.”
― Dorothy Allison, Bastard Out of Carolina
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JTT
 
  1  
Thu 11 Jul, 2013 11:07 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
This isn't the Third Reich, Red China, Russia, North Korea or Cuba.


You're sure, are you, CI. The US has slaughtered as many people as some of those countries and yet the US makes claims to being a rule of law democracy.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 12 Jul, 2013 12:30 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Oh, in what way? Have your freedoms been taken away? Are you still allowed to say whatever you please without government reprisals? Has anybody been jailed or imprisoned for speaking out against their government?

Are you still free to move around as you please at home or to other countries?

Do you still feel safe at home?

Do you know of anyone in your country who has lost their freedoms?

JTT
 
  2  
Fri 12 Jul, 2013 12:45 am
@cicerone imposter,
I'd just like to know how a body can swing so wildly so fast.

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Frank Apisa
 
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Fri 12 Jul, 2013 02:57 am
@Moment-in-Time,
MIT...

...you really shouldn't write that kind of stuff. It gets people like JTT much too upset! Wink
Frank Apisa
 
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Fri 12 Jul, 2013 03:00 am
Amazing how so many people have so much bad to say about the state of our freedom...and say it so loudly and in such a public way.

You'd almost think they realize they are full of soup!
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 12 Jul, 2013 05:49 am
Quote:
Snowden's case has become a sore point both at home and abroad for the US. Douglas Paal, of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, said the revelations "make it impossible for any countries to make concessions to the United States for the time being, because we look like big cyber offenders."
Source: euronews, reuters, China Daily, Independent
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Olivier5
 
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Fri 12 Jul, 2013 06:42 am
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
This isn't the Third Reich, Red China, Russia, North Korea or Cuba.

No but it's a step in that direction... And for what?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 12 Jul, 2013 07:37 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
Do you know of anyone in your country who has lost their freedoms?
Some millions ... out of those I certainly know some.
Again, c.i.: "The privacy of correspondence, posts and telecommunications shall be inviolable." [Article 10 (1) Basic Law - and this article is one included in the "eternity clause".]

Legal scientist here say that it certainly would be close to impossible to get someone from the USA to courts here. But it would be interesting, if such happened to the British at the European Court ....
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BillRM
 
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Fri 12 Jul, 2013 07:38 am
@Frank Apisa,
A government that is doing massive and secret spying on all it citizens is a bad thing in my and many others opinions and not a good indication for our future freedoms.
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Fri 12 Jul, 2013 07:49 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

A government that is doing massive and secret spying on all it citizens is a bad thing in my and many others opinions and not a good indication for our future freedoms.



Okay. So what does that have to do with what I said?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 12 Jul, 2013 07:50 am
Related:
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http://i41.tinypic.com/2jcdfdi.jpg
Berlin police believe that this message, projected onto the wall of the US Embassy in Berlin on Sunday night, could be a violation of laws against insulting representatives of foreign states.

Berlin police are pursuing an investigation of a light artist for projecting the phrase "United Stasi of America" onto the side of the US Embassy in Berlin. But can he really be prosecuted?

It was meant to be a publicity stunt -- a political prank aimed at voicing displeasure over vast US Internet surveillance and spying activities. But Oliver Bienkowski, the light artist who projected the words "United Stasi of America" on the US Embassy late on Sunday night now finds himself in hot water with the Berlin police, with authorities having opened an investigation.

Officially, a Berlin spokesman confirmed on Friday, Bienkowski is suspected of having violated a law against "insulting organs and representatives of foreign countries." So far, however, the artist has not yet even been approached by the authorities, though the Berlin police said he would soon be invited in for questioning.
The projection, which included an image of Internet activist and hacker icon Kim Schmitz, aka "Kim Dotcom," took place at around 1 a.m. on Sunday night and lasted for a mere 30 seconds before police guarding the embassy asked him to move on. "Stasi" is a reference to the infamous East German Ministry for State Security, which managed a vast network of spies and informants in communist times -- but which also persecuted the state's political opponents.

Bienkowski told SPIEGEL ONLINE that his goal was to "do things that people will see and try to get them to think." Specifically, he wanted to voice criticism of US web surveillance, the vast scope of which was revealed recently by whistleblower Edward Snowden. Bienkowski even spent €5,000 out of his own pocket to finance the costs of the guerilla light projection.
... ... ...
Source
izzythepush
 
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Fri 12 Jul, 2013 08:24 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
As I said, Izzy...if you want to think that the UK does not get anything out of the deal...and still does the US's bidding...then they are patsies.


Exactly, which is why we should close the American air bases down without delay, including those on Ascension Island and Diego Garcia.
izzythepush
 
  1  
Fri 12 Jul, 2013 08:26 am
@JTT,
You just hear what you want to hear. I've repeatedly called for the Chagos islanders to be allowed to return home.

You just want to throw mud, you're not interested in what people really say or think.
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izzythepush
 
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Fri 12 Jul, 2013 08:30 am
@Brandon9000,
You're not as democratic as you like to make out. The prohibitive cost of running for president means the winner is always reliant on big business.
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Olivier5
 
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Fri 12 Jul, 2013 08:32 am
@Walter Hinteler,
They spy on us but let's not insult them.... LOL

Nice art work.
izzythepush
 
  1  
Fri 12 Jul, 2013 08:34 am
@Moment-in-Time,
Moment-in-Time wrote:
LOL! It's very difficult to get blood from a stone. You have answered to the best of your ability and the powers that be can ask no more.


I'm sure it is, but I have shown three concrete, indisputable benefits America gains from the 'special relationship.' All you and Frank are able to offer are rather nebulous benefits at best.
izzythepush
 
  1  
Fri 12 Jul, 2013 08:37 am
@Olivier5,
Well they can always extraordinarily rendition him, and haul him off to Guantanamo.

Although I wouldn't say that will definitely happen, it certainly won't have been ruled out.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Fri 12 Jul, 2013 08:39 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
As I said, Izzy...if you want to think that the UK does not get anything out of the deal...and still does the US's bidding...then they are patsies.


Exactly, which is why we should close the American air bases down without delay, including those on Ascension Island and Diego Garcia.


Fine. Do it.
 

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