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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
oralloy
 
  1  
Sat 31 May, 2014 12:04 am
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:
I didn't realize you, as a pretend Frenchman

I can vouch for Olivier that he is actually from France.
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oralloy
 
  0  
Sat 31 May, 2014 12:05 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
Stick to the case at hand. Pressed by congress, Alexander couldn't cite one case where the NSA data were of use. That's clear enough to me.

Perhaps he chooses to not compromise the NSA even further by revealing even more.

Perhaps the spying is such that it contributes to our defense in small ways that do not lend themselves to being named as the definitive lynchpin of a case.


Olivier5 wrote:
You don't deserve any intel cooperation any more.

We really need to replace NATO with a system where we defend the UK, defend former Communist states, and refuse to defend anything in-between.
oralloy
 
  0  
Sat 31 May, 2014 12:07 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
Glad we agree that the NSA has nothing to do with anti-terrorism, and everything to do with industrial espionage... Smile

If these false accusations continue, we should change our policy and engage in industrial espionage for real (at least against those nations that levy such false accusations).
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McTag
 
  2  
Sat 31 May, 2014 02:41 am

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/5/29/1401397099630/Steve-Bell-30.5.2014-019.jpg
BillRM
 
  2  
Sat 31 May, 2014 05:31 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
Nothing in Snowden's revelations have thus far shown any violations of the Constitution or any other law on the part of the NSA or US government.


Lying to congress and not fully informing the secret court set up to monitor the programs as well as doing massive spying on US citizens without their knowledge just to start with.

The secret court even had even ruled that some aspect of the programs was unconstitutional.and other Federal judges had rule that others parts was unconstitutional that they would not had known about but for Snowden.

Quote:


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/22/us/2011-ruling-found-an-nsa-program-unconstitutional.html

WASHINGTON — A federal judge sharply rebuked the National Security Agency in 2011 for repeatedly misleading the court that oversees its surveillance on domestic soil, including a program that is collecting tens of thousands of domestic e-mails and other Internet communications of Americans each year, according to a secret ruling made public on Wednesday.
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The 85-page ruling by Judge John D. Bates, then serving as chief judge on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, involved an N.S.A. program that systematically searches the contents of Americans’ international Internet communications, without a warrant, in a hunt for discussions about foreigners who have been targeted for surveillance.

The Justice Department had told Judge Bates that N.S.A. officials had discovered that the program had also been gathering domestic messages for three years. Judge Bates found that the agency had violated the Constitution and declared the problems part of a pattern of misrepresentation by agency officials in submissions to the secret court.

The release of the ruling, the subject of a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit, was the latest effort by the Obama administration to gain control over revelations about N.S.A. surveillance prompted by leaks by the former agency contractor Edward J. Snowden.

The collection is part of a broader program under a 2008 law that allows warrantless surveillance on domestic networks as long as it is targeted at noncitizens abroad. The purely domestic messages collected in the hunt for discussions about targeted foreigners represent a relatively small percentage of what the ruling said were 250 million communications intercepted each year in that broader program.

While the N.S.A. fixed problems with how it handled those purely domestic messages to the court’s satisfaction, the 2011 ruling revealed further issues.

“The court is troubled that the government’s revelations regarding N.S.A.’s acquisition of Internet transactions mark the third instance in less than three years in which the government has disclosed a substantial misrepresentation regarding the scope of a major collection program,” Judge Bates wrote.
spendius
 
  1  
Sat 31 May, 2014 05:34 am
@McTag,
That's the man who got Obarmy elected.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 31 May, 2014 06:06 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
We really need to replace NATO with a system where we defend the UK, defend former Communist states, and refuse to defend anything in-between.
I'm glad that you included in your list 20% of the German population and about 30% of our area.

So the former western sectors of Berlin will be excluding from your kind protection shield.

But it will be nice that we'll get the brand new NSA European spy center in Wiesbaden! And since we've paid the new US-military hospital as well, that's fine with, too, when we get.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 31 May, 2014 07:01 am
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:
I suppose he could be on the Russian unemployment plan, everyone in the world knows how generous the Russian socialist plans are.
As far as I know, in Russia, like in most other countries, asylum seekers aren't allowed to work.

But it might be very different in the USA - I've no idea, but I really would like to know why it is different.
revelette2
 
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Sat 31 May, 2014 07:02 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
The secret court even had even ruled that some aspect of the programs was unconstitutional.and other Federal judges had rule that others parts was unconstitutional that they would not had known about but for Snowden.


Considering the issues of the program which was ruled unconstitutional was in 2011 and Snowden didn't steal the documents until 2013 you are not correct that the secret court wouldn't have known about without Snowden.
revelette2
 
  1  
Sat 31 May, 2014 07:05 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Snowden Has a Job In Russia, Lawyer Says
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Sat 31 May, 2014 07:18 am
@revelette2,
I know that it was said in October last year, Snowden would work for a "large Russian website". But this hasn't been confirmed later by anyone else.

(And actually, you can work as asylum seeker in Russia: Russia didn't have any asylum laws before 2008, I just found out. And there, nothing is regulated about work permits - it all depends on the president's adjudication. My bad.)
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BillRM
 
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Sat 31 May, 2014 07:40 am
@revelette2,
Quote:
Considering the issues of the program which was ruled unconstitutional was in 2011 and Snowden didn't steal the documents until 2013 you are not correct that the secret court wouldn't have known about without Snowden.


Who said that in this one case that Snowden was the whistle blower?

I posted that information to show that NSA and others was indeed cheerfully breaking laws and the constitution in their spying as well as misleading the other two branches of government.
revelette2
 
  1  
Sat 31 May, 2014 07:57 am
@BillRM,
Bill wrote:
Quote:
The secret court even had even ruled that some aspect of the programs was unconstitutional.and other Federal judges had rule that others parts was unconstitutional that they would not had known about but for Snowden.


Bill wrote:
Quote:
Who said that in this one case that Snowden was the whistle blower?


OK, which court rulings are you referring to when you made the first above quote?
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Olivier5
 
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Sat 31 May, 2014 08:32 am
@McTag,
McTag wrote:

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/5/29/1401397099630/Steve-Bell-30.5.2014-019.jpg

Good one. Smile
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panzade
 
  1  
Sat 31 May, 2014 09:01 am
Anybody see the Brian Williams interview with Snowden on Rachel Maddow last night?
Any thoughts?
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Sat 31 May, 2014 09:06 am
@panzade,
My thoughts are that the people who despise the United States (perhaps for decent reasons) are having a field day. They can spew their invective toward us and come away claiming decency and reason.

Good for them.

In the meantime, I hope Edward Snowden gets an opportunity to clear his name in a fair trial here in America.
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Olivier5
 
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Sat 31 May, 2014 09:27 am
Israel Won’t Stop Spying on the U.S.
By Jeff Stein / May 6, 2014 5:31 AM EDT

Whatever happened to honor among thieves? When the National Security Agency was caught eavesdropping on German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s cell phone, it was considered a rude way to treat a friend. Now U.S. intelligence officials are saying—albeit very quietly, behind closed doors on Capitol Hill—that our Israeli “friends” have gone too far with their spying operations here.

According to classified briefings on legislation that would lower visa restrictions on Israeli citizens, Jerusalem’s efforts to steal U.S. secrets under the cover of trade missions and joint defense technology contracts have “crossed red lines.”

Israel’s espionage activities in America are unrivaled and unseemly, counterspies have told members of the House Judiciary and Foreign Affairs committees, going far beyond activities by other close allies, such as Germany, France, the U.K. and Japan. A congressional staffer familiar with a briefing last January called the testimony “very sobering…alarming…even terrifying.” Another staffer called it “damaging.”

The Jewish state’s primary target: America’s industrial and technical secrets.

“No other country close to the United States continues to cross the line on espionage like the Israelis do,” said a former congressional staffer who attended another classified briefing in late 2013, one of several in recent months given by officials from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), the State Department, the FBI and the National Counterintelligence Directorate.

The intelligence agencies didn’t go into specifics, the former aide said, but cited “industrial espionage—folks coming over here on trade missions or with Israeli companies working in collaboration with American companies, [or] intelligence operatives being run directly by the government, which I assume meant out of the [Israeli] Embassy.”

An Israeli Embassy spokesman flatly denied the charges Tuesday after initially declining to comment. Aaron Sagui told Newsweek "Israel doesn't conduct espionage operations in the United States, period. We condemn the fact that such outrageous, false allegations are being directed against Israel." Representatives of two U.S. intelligence agencies, while acknowledging problems with Israeli spies, would not discuss classified testimony for the record. The FBI would neither confirm nor deny it briefed Congress. A State Department representative would say only that staff in its Consular and Israel Palestinian Affairs offices briefed members of Congress on visa reciprocity issues.

Of course, the U.S. spies on Israel, too. “It was the last place you wanted to go on vacation,” a former top CIA operative told Newsweek, because of heavy-handed Israeli surveillance. But the level of Israeli espionage here now has rankled U.S. counterspies.

“I don’t think anyone was surprised by these revelations,” the former aide said. “But when you step back and hear…that there are no other countries taking advantage of our security relationship the way the Israelis are for espionage purposes, it is quite shocking. I mean, it shouldn’t be lost on anyone that after all the hand-wringing over [Jonathan] Pollard, it’s still going on.”

Israel and pro-Israel groups in America have long lobbied U.S. administrations to free Pollard, a former U.S. naval intelligence analyst serving a life sentence since 1987 for stealing tens of thousands of secrets for Israel. (U.S. counterintelligence officials suspect that Israel traded some of the Cold War-era information to Moscow in exchange for the emigration of Russian Jews.) After denying for over a decade that Pollard was its paid agent, Israel apologized and promised not to spy on U.S. soil again. Since then, more Israeli spies have been arrested and convicted by U.S. courts.


More:
http://www.newsweek.com/israel-wont-stop-spying-us-249757
Olivier5
 
  4  
Sat 31 May, 2014 09:35 am
"Nice to put a face on the voice"

http://www.courrierinternational.com/files/imagecache/dessin_656x/2014/05/0505-dessinChappatte.jpg
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BillRM
 
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Sat 31 May, 2014 09:48 am
@Olivier5,
Quote:
. Now U.S. intelligence officials are saying—albeit very quietly, behind closed doors on Capitol Hill—that our Israeli “friends” have gone too far with their spying operations here.


Now the Israelis have stated over and over that ever since the Jonathan Pollard spying case had blown up in their faces they had place the US off limit.

So it all depend who have more credibility the Israelis or the US intelligent community who have declare all of us as valid targets for massive spying and had been found out to had lied to congress.

Frankly to me it is a toss up as who of the two have more credibility.

cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 31 May, 2014 10:03 am
@BillRM,
It's not even a 'toss up.' They're both guilty of crimes against society and country.
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