Snowdon is a dummy

@revelette2,

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Snowden Has a Job In Russia, Lawyer Says

Yes, I read that article some time ago, but if it's a website job one can be sure Russian security will be painstaking as regards the informer. It's difficult to believe Snowden would have a financial problem even without a job; the former Guardian reporter, Glenn Greenwald (his new book "Nowhere to Hide" based on Snowden's revelations, and a huge international success) has made lots of money and surely the *whistleblower* would have been or will be compensated financially in some manner...and we must not forget the monetary value of selling US classified documents to various newspapers here and abroad.

I watched the Brian Williams interview with Snowden....for the second time...it preempted my regular MSNBC Rachel Maddow show. The camera caught Snowden surreptitiously coming up the back way, peering cautiously around the next corner before making his grand entrance....the informer continues to be nervous that he might be entering a trap at any time.

Snowden stated he "missed his work, his colleagues, his family." Given his high energetic mental status, any prolonged stay in Russia will depress him something awful, especially with Vladimir Putin turning Russia into a giant police state. Given time, it would not surprise me if some deal was worked out with the US allowing Snowden to return from the hell net he's currently caught in.

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@Moment-in-Time,

Moment-in-Time wrote:

... Glenn Greenwald (his new book "Nowhere to Hide" based on Snowden's revelations, and a huge international success) has made lots of money and surely the *whistleblower* would have been or will be compensated financially in some manner. ...

Since about a year, money for Snowden has been collected via wikileaks.

Greenwald's book is free of charge to be read here

Moment-in-Time wrote:

... especially with Vladimir Putin turning Russia into a giant police state.

I'm quite sure that the FSB hasn't to hide behind the NSA.

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@Walter Hinteler,

I would had donate a few dollars to Snowden if it was not a concern that to do so could open an American citizen to a charges of aiding a federal fugitive.

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Thanks to Snowden Due what is done by the NSA and GCHQ, the German more conservative lawmakers agree with the digital update for our foreign intelligence service.

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@Walter Hinteler,

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Since about a year, money for Snowden has been collected via wikileaks.

I was almost certain Greenwald had gotten a royalty advance for his book. You mean the journalist is doing this gratuitously? That might give a different spin on this ongoing narrative.

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Moment-in-Time wrote:

... especially with Vladimir Putin turning Russia into a giant police state.

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Walter Hinteler wrote:
I'm quite sure that the FSB hasn't to hide behind the NSA.

I meant Snowden would never be given any real access to anything remotely sensitive regarding computers in which his talent lay and would be watched most carefully, simply because of the damaging embarrassment he's caused the US, the land of his birth.

Snowden's temporary asylum in Russia is a master stroke of good luck for Putin.

Excerpt from: http://able2know.org/topic/217301-371"

**"He [Snowden] is, at this stage, not a free agent but a tool of Russian intelligence—and of Putin himself—even if he doesn’t know it. He is in the country because his presence embarrasses the United States and because his disclosures serve Russian interests. He is doing things there that help Russia and he is refraining from doing things that offend his hosts. People without some kind of relationship with the security services simply don’t find themselves calling in and throwing softball questions to Vladimir Putin on Russian television. And people without some kind of relationship with the security services also don’t tend to have as their lawyers for asylum Kremlin loyalists who also happen to be members of the ( Russian Federal Security Service) FSB’s oversight board."**http://able2know.org/topic/217301-371

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@Moment-in-Time,

Moment-in-Time wrote:

I was almost certain Greenwald had gotten a royalty advance for his book. You mean the journalist is doing this gratuitously? That might give a different spin on this ongoing narrative.

That's published online by a kind of "anti-wikileads-antiGreenwald" website:
A Radical Pro-Transparency Website Is Raising Money To Annoy Glenn Greenwald

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@Moment-in-Time,

Moment-in-Time wrote:

Excerpt from: http://able2know.org/topic/217301-371"

**"He [Snowden] is, at this stage, not a free agent but a tool of Russian intelligence—and of Putin himself—even if he doesn’t know it. He is in the country because his presence embarrasses the United States and because his disclosures serve Russian interests. He is doing things there that help Russia and he is refraining from doing things that offend his hosts. People without some kind of relationship with the security services simply don’t find themselves calling in and throwing softball questions to Vladimir Putin on Russian television. And people without some kind of relationship with the security services also don’t tend to have as their lawyers for asylum Kremlin loyalists who also happen to be members of the ( Russian Federal Security Service) FSB’s oversight board."**http://able2know.org/topic/217301-371

Well, that's the opinion of a Senior Fellow in Governance Studies at the Brookings Institution. I really had wondered, if he'd had a different one.

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@Moment-in-Time,

Snowden is just a bearer of bad news. No need to shoot at the messenger.

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@Moment-in-Time,

I find hard to believe Russia or any other country would trust him either, kind of like a second wife who once had an affair with her husband before getting married to him. In the back of her mind, she thinks, "well, he was unfaithful once and left his first wife to marry me, he'll soon get tired of me too".

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@BillRM,

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Now the Israelis have stated over and over that ever since the Jonathan Pollard spying case had blown up in their faces they had place the US off limit.

So it all depend who have more credibility the Israelis or the US intelligent community who have declare all of us as valid targets for massive spying and had been found out to had lied to congress.

Both are lying as soon as they open their mouth, but rest assured that the Israelis are aggressively spying on the US.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

oralloy wrote:
Nothing in Snowden's revelations have thus far shown any violations of the Constitution or any other law on the part of the NSA or US government.

Lying to congress and not fully informing the secret court set up to monitor the programs as well as doing massive spying on US citizens without their knowledge just to start with.

Not illegal. Not unconstitutional.

BillRM wrote:

The secret court even had even ruled that some aspect of the programs was unconstitutional.and other Federal judges had rule that others parts was unconstitutional that they would not had known about but for Snowden.

Those rulings have little basis in fact or law, and are destined to all be overturned by higher courts.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

Snowden is just a bearer of bad news. No need to shoot at the messenger.

I disagree. DroneStrikes are in order. Put the thermobaric charges on "extra-crispy traitor" setting.

Actually, I kind of like the idea of letting him get asylum in Germany, and then having the CIA throw him down an elevator shaft when no one is looking.

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@oralloy,

You are one frightening asshole.

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@oralloy,

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Not illegal. Not unconstitutional.

Since when is lying to congress or a court for that matter is not illegal? An even the secret rubber stamp court had found elements of the programs unconstitutional.

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@oralloy,

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I disagree. DroneStrikes are in order. Put the thermobaric charges on "extra-crispy traitor" setting.

You mean, for Obama?

A bit extreme I think. A trail for treason would suffice...

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@Olivier5,

I think oralloy likes the idea of killing people and anybody who has let themselves in to be a target will suffice.

The real question is whether oralloy would throw Eddie down an elevator shaft himself instead of vicariously enjoying the thought of an anonymous agent of the State performing the illegal deed.

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@spendius,

Revelations made by Snowden have left the UK in a vulnerable position against terrorist attacks, with Government sources claiming MI5 and MI6 have now lost their digital advantage over potential aggressors.
Sunday People ('Mirror') report: Edward Snowden leaks have left Britain 'wide open' to terrorist attack warn spy chiefs

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@Olivier5,

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You mean, for Obama?

A bit extreme I think. A trail for treason would suffice...

To say nothing of destroying the Whitehouse in so doing, Laughing

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@Walter Hinteler,

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Sunday People ('Mirror') report: Edward Snowden leaks have left Britain 'wide open' to terrorist attack warn spy chiefs

LOL..................

Oh, I do remember an amusing science fiction story of a nation that have all kinds of high tech monitoring of incoming and outgoing communications and the other side then employed postcards to keep in touch with their agents.

Hell for that matter a cheap 32 G memory card now can fit under someone finger nails.

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@Walter Hinteler,

You guys might be laughing, but I think he has a well made point. Its the part that gets me how you all just ignore such obvious truths because it don't fit the narrative. I can understand your beef, Walter and I wholeheartedly agree with you, the US shouldn't have spied on our allies and we rightfully were called on it. But the sheer amount of information Snowden leaked was just reckless. I am just hoping that new methods are being used now to try and detect (I don't like the way he worded it, I don't think he should have used the "Islamic killers" would be extremist terrorist plots.

btw, is the mirror the same as the onion?

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