Snowdon is a dummy

@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

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He claims to be spying for 10 years, however, he has yet to explain all the successes he had uncovering terrorist actions planned against the US.

That's because the NSA systems are ineffective against terrorism... Alexander couldn't cite one case where they were of use.

I didn't realize you, as a pretend Frenchman held such sensitive clearances,the US govt holds so closely only cleared Americans can be read into and swear to uphold. In fact, I'm totally unaware of a tight agreement between France and the US so special we have French intel experts stationed at the Pentagon or any other govt installation. However, I could make up intimate knowledge of the French intelligence program and verify disclosures made by in-the-know French equivalents to Greenwald. But that would be foolish, because then I would be as full of excrement as you are.

The French and American Governments do cooperate in a number of actions since we are all NATO members. But you have as much credibility as a Romanian when it comes to clarifying anything to any American. It's incredibly arrogant to attempt to lecture or inform us. Stick to France, if you actually live there, and I have serious misgivings as to the honesty of your characterization of yourself and nationality. Even your arrogance doesn't have the same authentic flair of French nationals or French Canadians.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

Your question about reading mind was an infantile attempt at an insult, Frank. And now you're trying to insult me again, alluding to a nonexistent rage. Not that I give a flying rat's ass...

You are being insulting again, Olivier...and showing yourself to be totally out of control.

Stop embarrassing yourself; control the rage...

...try not to let me push your buttons so easily.

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@glitterbag,

Stick to the case at hand. Pressed by congress, Alexander couldn't cite one case where the NSA data were of use. That's clear enough to me.

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The French and American Governments do cooperate in a number of actions since we are all NATO members.

They cooperate because it makes common sense. But spying on your allies make none, and is insulting. You don't deserve any intel cooperation any more.

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@Frank Apisa,

Whatever... It is a historical fact that the bill of rights was written because some founding fathers feared the US could become a tyranny.

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@Olivier5,

Apisa's trying to enrage you so he has to imagine he is doing so.

It's his standard trick. He knows that you might become enraged because you can't prove you are not. It is frustrating I know. Being accused of being enraged in front of witnesses when you are not enraged is a bit trying.

It's how he jacks his ego off. He accused me of fancying him.

And of getting emotional and being unable to control myself. The tried and tested, unoriginal and repetitive, reflex enragers.

They probably work with the sort of people he chooses to meet. He likely chooses who to meet in order o keep in practice.

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@spendius,

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Apisa's trying to enrage you so he has to imagine he is doing so.

Of course... Don't you worry, I see him coming miles away.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

Whatever... It is a historical fact that the bill of rights was written because some founding fathers feared the US could become a tyranny.

Gotta go to dinner right now. Chinese buffet. My favorite.'

Enjoy whatever you can enjoy, Olivier.

Wink

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

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Apisa's trying to enrage you so he has to imagine he is doing so.

Of course... Don't you worry, I see him coming miles away.

You walk into it, Olivier.

I don't do the work here. You do.

I hope that doesn't make you an employee of mine. Wink

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@Frank Apisa,

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Gotta go to dinner right now. Chinese buffet.

What a posh way of calling stuffing nutrient into your gob, swallowing it into the peristaltic tube and-- oh, never mind.

So long as envy is elicited in the hungry nations. After all, rice is a bit exclusive.

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@spendius,

The smiley Apisa used is like when an old lady gives another old lady a meaningful nudge in the ribs when the umpire calls for "new balls".

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@Olivier5,

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But spying on your allies make none, and is insulting.

"insulting"? Small insult when compared to the reality of the situation. All countries spy on each other. it's just that some have better technology, but given enough time, all countries will have the same expertise due to spying. To pretend to be so outraged that the NSA was spying is just a little hypocritical, imo. National espionage, industrial espionage, economic espionage or corporate espionage is a form of espionage that is everywhere. We did not know the extent to NAS's spying, but we certainly should not be so surprised because we have made giant strides in the field of technology.

"On May 26, 2011, President Barack Obama signed the PATRIOT Sunsets Extension Act of 2011, a four-year extension of three key provisions in the USA PATRIOT Act:[2] roving wiretaps, searches of business records (the "library records provision"), and conducting surveillance of "lone wolves"—individuals suspected of terrorist-related activities not linked to terrorist groups."

Usually when the government wish to read a citizen's personal mail he has to get authority from a judge.

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@foundednotlost,

Someone should tell Ollie that the French have already given the situation a big Gallic shrug, and stated French intell does the same. In other words, what's the hub, bub. Most Frenchmen see this as a big of a deal as Clinton getting a BJ in the Oval Office. They are amused at the American sense of sensibilities. Ollie is as French as the fried potato strips from Micky D's.

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I'm more concerned about privacy on Facebook and online catalogues. Criminals post on Facebook to brag about their crimes. I read a while back that Gerard Depardieu was so distressed about taxes in France, he threatened to renounce his citizenship and leave. Russia quickly offered him a nesting spot. That's the good news for Gerry, the bad news was it would be in Russia, the workers paradise. I wonder why he hasn't taken them up on their offer.

Just as an aside, what type of work is young mr. Snowdon involved in to support himself? Perhaps he's back working for McDonalds like he did when he dropped out of school here in Anne Arundel County, Maryland.

I suppose he could be on the Russian unemployment plan, everyone in the world knows how generous the Russian socialist plans are.

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@glitterbag,

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I'm more concerned about privacy on Facebook and online catalogues. Criminals post on Facebook to brag about their crimes.

El-Sisi, is that you?

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@glitterbag,

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Someone should tell Ollie that the French have already given the situation a big Gallic shrug, and stated French intell does the same.

I was the first one here to point out that the French spooks didn't want to make a fuss about it because they do similar things. And Hollande couldn't be weaker if he tried. I don't think we have bugged Obama's cell phone though. Nor do I think that you guys would "shrug it off" if we had.

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@foundednotlost,

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National espionage, industrial espionage, economic espionage or corporate espionage is a form of espionage that is everywhere.

Glad we agree that the NSA has nothing to do with anti-terrorism, and everything to do with industrial espionage... Smile

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Usually when the government wish to read a citizen's personal mail he has to get authority from a judge.

Such naivety...

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@Olivier5,

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I don't think we have bugged Obama's cell phone though. Nor do I think that you guys would "shrug it off" if we had.

Supposing the French had done such but just had not been discovered. Also, any head of state would be alarmed they'd been spied on by another country.

"The US has been able to record not only telephone conversations but also Internet traffic, social networking traffic and many of these communications platforms for well over 5 to almost 10 years. They've had the capacity to do specific phone numbers a hundred percent as well as before that time in the early 2000s, they were developing these programs and installing these programs in phone central offices all around the world even before the Olympics in 2004 the Americans alongside the British and the French installed surveillance programs in the phone centers across Greece to monitor all the phone records and record all the phone conversations of all the Greek national delegates from the government and major military representatives. They have been able to do the 100 percent in more recent times because the capacity if the systems that they deployed - there is just a number of amazing systems that are out there that the CIA has invested in with a venture capital arm called IN-Q-Tel and these are platforms that they invested in are everything from not only recoding platforms but also analysis platforms."

Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/2014_03_20/Witnin-past-5-years-US-surveillance-achieved-Orwells-1984-expert-4229/

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@glitterbag,

glitterbag wrote:

I read a while back that Gerard Depardieu was so distressed about taxes in France, he threatened to renounce his citizenship and leave.

I did renounce his citizenship. But he had lived already in Belgium to avoid the French taxes (He's since two years an " official Belgian resident".)

glitterbag wrote:

Russia quickly offered him a nesting spot. That's the good news for Gerry, the bad news was it would be in Russia, the workers paradise. I wonder why he hasn't taken them up on their offer.

That happened after he got difficulties due to his trial for driving while intoxicated. He's a cultural ambassador for Montenegro as well.

But indeed, Snowden really is a bad man to do this, to.

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@glitterbag,

glitterbag wrote:

I'm more concerned about privacy on Facebook and online catalogues. Criminals post on Facebook to brag about their crimes.

Our Federal Intelligence Service (foreign) is just upgrading technology to read social media in real-time.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

Every US citizen not only have a right but a moral duty not to obey a clearly unconstitutional law or take clearly unconstitutional actions. For example lying to or misleading congress or the courts. Or do massive spying on US citizens without a court order and thereby breaking the fourth amendment.

The oath to defend and protect the constitution take precedence over illegal orders to take unconstitutional actions or unconstitutional laws.

Nothing in Snowden's revelations have thus far shown any violations of the Constitution or any other law on the part of the NSA or US government.

The Fourth Amendment requires that searches be reasonable. It does not require there to be a court order before a search is conducted.

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