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Snowdon is a dummy

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Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 12 May, 2014 11:03 am
@Walter Hinteler,
No Place to Hide, the new book by Glenn Greenwald, is published on 13 May 2014 by Hamish Hamilton.

The Guardian' report about the book: Glenn Greenwald: 'I don't trust the UK not to arrest me. Their behaviour has been extreme'
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revelette2
 
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Mon 12 May, 2014 11:12 am
@Walter Hinteler,
So the official is not credible? You don't believe that the methods they used pre-Snowden revelations have been compromised to the advantage of terrorist? Not even remotely possible?
cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 12 May, 2014 11:22 am
@revelette2,
You're missing the whole point; any agency that breaks the laws of our country is BREAKING THE LAWS. That doesn't allow them to accomplish their activities; it's against the law. It doesn't matter whether other countries do it. Our Constitution doesn't allow any government agency to breach our laws. If they can't police themselves, it's up to the Snowden's to reveal they are acting outside the laws of this country.

Read and learn about our Constitution; it seems you are ignorant of the laws that protects our privacy.

Here's an excellent article on why privacy matters by Santa Clara Unversity.
http://www.scu.edu/ethics/practicing/focusareas/technology/internet/privacy/why-care-about-privacy.html
spendius
 
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Mon 12 May, 2014 11:35 am
@revelette2,
Quote:
Phipson later told a small group of reporters


I assume the "small group of reporters" had security clearance and thus were trusted to report what they had been told.
revelette2
 
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Mon 12 May, 2014 11:49 am
@spendius,
Possibly, I wouldn't know, however, it doesn't mean that what he said was false.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 12 May, 2014 12:23 pm
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:
So the official is not credible? You don't believe that the methods they used pre-Snowden revelations have been compromised to the advantage of terrorist? Not even remotely possible?
I don't doubt his credibility.
But I don't think that the documents really helped terrorists. However, they will/might change perhaps their methods.
An disadvantage for the USA (and UK) definitely is that many countries now will upgrade their counter-espionage ... against attacks by the USA and UK.
McTag
 
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Mon 12 May, 2014 12:39 pm
@Walter Hinteler,

Very good piece in the Guardian G2 today about Snowden's collaborator, the journalist Glenn Greenwald

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/12/glenn-greenwald-uk-arrest-me-edward-snowden-nsa

He is publishing a book.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 12 May, 2014 12:58 pm
@McTag,
Yes. That's why I posted about it above.
RABEL222
 
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Mon 12 May, 2014 12:58 pm
@lmur,
Can you explain what thoughts you were trying to express here?
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RABEL222
 
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Mon 12 May, 2014 01:07 pm
@cicerone imposter,
They are at a disadvantage with the terroists because the more they reveal of what they did and did not know gives the terroists clues to how the governments obtain their information. Like it or not this attitude of I should know all the secrets of government and spy agencies plays into the hands of terroist organizations. I sure that they love Snowdon and his like to death. And the people who agree with him.
RABEL222
 
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Mon 12 May, 2014 01:12 pm
@cicerone imposter,
The so called Constitution of the U S of A is not a static document. Check the several latest decisions (changes in law) of the supreme court. The best decisions money can buy!!!
RABEL222
 
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Mon 12 May, 2014 01:14 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
If it gave them information on how they acquired information how can it not have helped them?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 12 May, 2014 01:20 pm
@RABEL222,
Okay. It helped us, we got now secur(er) German email-accounts, Merkel doesn't use her private phone anymore, others are just more concerned what they say on phones and what they write in emails.

I agree, other terrorists might act similar.
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spendius
 
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Mon 12 May, 2014 01:23 pm
@RABEL222,
The mass outrage has nothing to do with terrorists and if the spying had been focused solely on them we would never have heard of Snowden.

If you read the thread you'll know I consider Snowden a complete idiot but you must think we are idiots if you if you think any members here who agree with him support terrorists and that you are special because you don't.

The NSA was using your money to spy on you so that your silly old free necks could be wrung more efficiently than previously.

Which I'm in favour of.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 12 May, 2014 01:47 pm
@RABEL222,
Show me any of my posts that claims the Constitution is a static document? Any one.
That's your claim, not mine.
You're beginning to be like frankie boy; you're saying absolutely nothing!

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cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 12 May, 2014 01:50 pm
@RABEL222,
How has it helped them if NSA has not found any incidence from their communication tapping of any terrorist activity? They went overboard spending billions for what purpose spying on our own citizens who pay their bills? It's good that Snowden put a brake on their activities, because what they were doing was UNLAWFUL.
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revelette2
 
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Mon 12 May, 2014 02:19 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
I like you walter, but I think you got a little bit of an axe to grind so are ignoring the terrorist issue along with some others here. There was no way revealing those documents didn't help terrorist. NSA used the programs to track terrorist, the terrorist now know the methods used and can go around it. So it helped terrorist.
cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 12 May, 2014 02:22 pm
@revelette2,
What terrorist issue? The NSA has found NOTHING about terrorists planning any of their dastardly deeds. That cost the American taxpayer billions of dollars; treasure that's wasted, and could've been used for bettering our country - like funding schools and our infrastructure.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 12 May, 2014 02:25 pm
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:
NSA used the programs to track terrorist, the terrorist now know the methods used and can go around it. So it helped terrorist.
That was what my response was about.
And that's why it is a topic here.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Mon 12 May, 2014 02:41 pm
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:

I like you walter, but I think you got a little bit of an axe to grind so are ignoring the terrorist issue along with some others here. There was no way revealing those documents didn't help terrorist. NSA used the programs to track terrorist, the terrorist now know the methods used and can go around it. So it helped terrorist.


Snowden...and his cohorts...aided terrorists and terrorism with what they did.

Some of the people who consider him a hero, are in a way, aiding terrorists and terrorism also.

But don't get me wrong. I think he deserves a fair trial...so he gets the opportunity to clear his name.
 

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