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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Tue 11 Mar, 2014 06:40 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
The National Security Agency was blocked by a judge from carrying out plans tomorrow to begin destroying phone records collected for surveillance after a privacy group argued they are relevant to lawsuits claiming the practice is unconstitutional.

U.S. District Judge Jeffrey White in San Francisco ordered the agency today to retain the records and scheduled a hearing for March 19 on whether they can be destroyed. The NSA had planned to dispose of the records following a March 7 ruling by the U.S. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court in Washington.
Full report @ Bloomberg

>Court order<
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Tue 11 Mar, 2014 02:15 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
The BBC collected some interesting (media) opinions from around the USA: Selling Snowden
spendius
 
  1  
Tue 11 Mar, 2014 02:52 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
It's one of those cases where people are for him or against him at the visceral level and that's about it. The professionals are happy to have freedoms being given up because they see a bright future beckoning. Terrorists being only the bludgeon. Whether that is as visceral as the desire for freedom is a question each of us has to ask.

Mr Gellman poses it with the word "can".
spendius
 
  1  
Tue 11 Mar, 2014 04:05 pm
@spendius,
I know that some might think I am being far-fetched but it seems to me that the mistake of the Constitution was to try to legislate for freedom. Which cannot be done.

The best Dylan could make of it was the "one hand waving free" image in that marvelous song of freedom, Mr Tambourine Man.
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hawkeye10
 
  1  
Wed 12 Mar, 2014 12:09 am
It was rich listening to Feinstein bitching about the executive branch through the CIA rifling trough Senate computer records given that she has been a long time full supporter of extremely intrusive mass NSA surveillance on the rest of us.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Wed 12 Mar, 2014 09:18 am
The European Parliament has voted on an action plan on the future of data protection in the EU on Wednesday. After allegations of mass surveillance, the package was passed with a large margin.

NSA SCANDAL: EU Parliament approves privacy package
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Wed 12 Mar, 2014 11:45 am
@Walter Hinteler,
MEPs call for immediate halt to NSA surveillance
Quote:
The European Parliament's consent to the EU-US trade deal "could be endangered" if blanket mass surveillance by the US National Security Agency (NSA) does not stop, MEPs have warned.

The text of a resolution wrapping up a six-month inquiry into US mass surveillance schemes also called on the EU to suspend its bank data deal with the US and the Safe Harbour agreement on data privacy.

“The fight against terrorism can never justify secret and illegal mass surveillance,” the resolution said.
[...]
The resolution called for the European Parliament to withhold its consent to the final Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) deal with the US unless it fully respects EU fundamental rights.
[...]
The text also called for a "European whistle-blower protection programme", which should pay particular attention to the "complexity of whistleblowing in the field of intelligence". EU countries are also asked to consider granting whistleblowers international protection from prosecution.
[...]
Within Europe, the resolution called on the UK, France, Germany, Sweden, the Netherlands and Poland to clarify the allegations of mass surveillance – including potential agreements between intelligence services and telecoms firms on access to and exchange of personal data and access to transatlantic cables – and their compatibility with EU laws.

Other EU countries, in particular those participating in the "9-eyes" (UK, Denmark, France and the Netherlands) and "14-eyes" arrangements (those countries plus Germany, Belgium, Italy, Spain and Sweden), were also urged to review their national laws to ensure that their intelligence services are subject to parliamentary and judicial oversight and that they comply with fundamental rights obligations.
[...]
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Fri 14 Mar, 2014 05:56 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Google to encrypt searches globally in reaction to Edward Snowden revelations
Quote:
Google says that they have begun encrypting users’ searches on a global scale as part of a broader effort to frustrate surveillance by governments and hackers.

The move will be particularly effective in countries where censorship is enforced on a national level. In China for examples citizens will be able to search for sensitive search terms such as “Tiananmen Square” without the authorities being automatically alerted.
[...]


Frank Apisa
 
  2  
Fri 14 Mar, 2014 06:29 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Google to encrypt searches globally in reaction to Edward Snowden revelations
Quote:
Google says that they have begun encrypting users’ searches on a global scale as part of a broader effort to frustrate surveillance by governments and hackers.

The move will be particularly effective in countries where censorship is enforced on a national level. In China for examples citizens will be able to search for sensitive search terms such as “Tiananmen Square” without the authorities being automatically alerted.
[...]




You seem to be taking the “Mussolini made the trains run on time” approach on this issue now, Walter.

Yeah…some good may accrue from from what Snowden did.

But that does not make the act of stealing classified documents and releasing those documents to unauthorized people any less a crime here in the United States.

Nor does it mean Edward Snowden does not deserve a fair trial on the charges brought against him…so that he can clear his name.

I am sure his attorneys will be able to bring up the fact that Chinese citizens can now search for terms such as “Tiananmen Square" without the authorities being automatically alerted...as part of his defense.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Fri 14 Mar, 2014 07:59 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
You seem to be taking the “Mussolini made the trains run on time” approach on this issue now, Walter.
Not at all - and I've all my life objected that "Hitler built the autobahn" vehemently as well.

What I did has been quoting and sourcing a report that Google will encrypt searches globally in reaction to Edward Snowden revelations.

You might have have that. (Same with the other reports, I quoted with source.)


The German parliament's "Snowden-NSA-affair investigation committee" will meet in April the first time, all parties in the Bundestag (Federal Parliament) decided yesterday.
JTT
 
  0  
Fri 14 Mar, 2014 08:02 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank the protector of all manner of criminal: But that does not make the act of stealing classified documents and releasing those documents to unauthorized people any less a crime here in the United States.
///////

But that makes the act of stealing classified documents describing the criminal behavior of a country that pretends it is just and it follows the rule of law. releasing those documents to unauthorized people is comsidered a crime here in the lawless United States run by a lawless band of terrorists.
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JTT
 
  0  
Fri 14 Mar, 2014 08:12 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank: Yeah…some good may accrue from from what Snowden did.

It already has. Google isn't campaigning in support of the criminal USA government. It is putting in place things to prevent those same criminals from performing their dirty deeds.

But you keep supporting the terrorists, the war criminals, frank.
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Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Fri 14 Mar, 2014 08:23 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
You seem to be taking the “Mussolini made the trains run on time” approach on this issue now, Walter.
Not at all - and I've all my life objected that "Hitler built the autobahn" vehemently as well.

What I did has been quoting and sourcing a report that Google will encrypt searches globally in reaction to Edward Snowden revelations.

You might have have that. (Same with the other reports, I quoted with source.)


The German parliament's "Snowden-NSA-affair investigation committee" will meet in April the first time, all parties in the Bundestag (Federal Parliament) decided yesterday.


Phrasing it the way I did (using an Italian) was probably unfair (or at best, inappropriate), Walter...since said Italian was a cohort and inspiration for the German guy...so I apologize for that part of the post.

But my point, as I am sure you got, was that undoubtedly some good will come (has already come) from what Snowden did. But there are not many dastardly deeds that do not have some positive results.

Truly it is ill wind that blows no one any good!

I respectfully suggest that noted some good has come from a deed is not worthy praise for the deed.

The trial is necessary to determine, in effect, if the deed was dastardly.
JTT
 
  0  
Fri 14 Mar, 2014 08:37 am
@Frank Apisa,
You keep supporting American war criminals/terrorists, frank.
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InfraBlue
 
  1  
Fri 14 Mar, 2014 11:14 am
Does the word "dastardly" have a jurisprudencial signifigance?
Frank Apisa
 
  2  
Fri 14 Mar, 2014 11:17 am
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:

Does the word "dastardly" have a jurisprudencial signifigance?


No...but it is one of my favorite words. Wink
JTT
 
  1  
Fri 14 Mar, 2014 01:25 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
No...but it is one of my favorite words.


Someone should explain its meaning to you.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Sat 15 Mar, 2014 06:51 am
Top Democrat on House intelligence panel offers new NSA reform plan
Quote:
Top Democrat on House intelligence committee says details are still being worked on but proposal would end bulk collection

Supporters of a stalled congressional effort to end the National Security Agency’s bulk collection of Americans’ metadata are looking warily at an alternative proposal by a key NSA advocate purporting to seek the same goal.

This week, the top Democrat on the House intelligence committee, Congressman Dutch Ruppersberger, who represents the Maryland district home to the NSA’s Fort Meade headquarters, came out in favor of a remedy for the controversial surveillance.

Ruppersberger, in interviews with the Washington Post, National Journal and Politico, said he was working to craft a proposal that would require court orders for government requests for Americans’ phone records – perhaps on an individual basis – from the telephone companies, without requiring the companies to expand retention of their customer records beyond current practice.

It’s an idea that on its face aligns with what privacy advocates have wanted since the Guardian exposed the NSA bulk phone records collection in June, thanks to leaks from Edward Snowden.

But his idea also attracted suspicion. Not only has Ruppersberger been a staunch advocate for the NSA – and a fervent critic of Snowden – but his proposal would compete with the civil-libertarian alternative, the USA Freedom Act, that has 163 co-sponsors in both congressional chambers and would go further than Ruppersberger’s effort, as initially described.
[...]
spendius
 
  2  
Sat 15 Mar, 2014 08:01 am
@Walter Hinteler,
It's a rearguard action Walt. They have been caught with their fingers in the till and are trying to minimise the damage with obfustications, diversions and confusions.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Mon 17 Mar, 2014 05:34 am
@spendius,
USA and the UK branded an 'Enemy of the Internet' for the first time by Reporters Without Borders
Quote:
For the first time the UK has been included on Reporters Without Borders’ ‘Enemies of the Internet’, an annual list produced by the press watchdog to draw attention to countries disrupting freedom of information through censorship and surveillance.

The USA also made the list for the first time, alongside stalwarts including North Korea, China, and Iran.
 

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