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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
BillRM
 
  2  
Tue 4 Mar, 2014 10:27 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
I'm waiting for the grassy knoll to be introduced


Try telling that to the presidents and congressmen and others that we know Hoover blackmail over the decades he was in power.

Blackmailing by an out of control intelligence community is a real real real concern.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Tue 4 Mar, 2014 11:35 pm
N.S.A. Director Says Snowden Leaks Hamper Efforts Against Cyberattacks
Quote:
Gen. Keith B. Alexander said that the disclosures by Edward J. Snowden had slowed the effort to protect the country against cyberattacks on Wall Street and other civilian targets.
BillRM
 
  2  
Wed 5 Mar, 2014 12:55 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
N.S.A. Director Says Snowden Leaks Hamper Efforts Against Cyberattacks
Quote:
Gen. Keith B. Alexander said that the disclosures by Edward J. Snowden had slowed the effort to protect the country against cyberattacks on Wall Street and other civilian targets.


Strange stand as the results of knowing of the massive spying by NSA have been doing is that everyone on the planet including Wall Street and other civilian targets had been madly strengthening their defenses both against cyberattacks by foreign enemies and by NSA.

As an attack after all is an attack whether it come from a cave in the middle east or from the NSA computer center in Utah.

Measures that will stop the NSA will likely stop anyone else also.

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Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 5 Mar, 2014 07:04 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
I'm waiting for the grassy knoll to be introduced


Try telling that to the presidents and congressmen and others that we know Hoover blackmail over the decades he was in power.

Blackmailing by an out of control intelligence community is a real real real concern.


C'mon, Bill...bring in the grassy knoll...and Area 51! Wink
BillRM
 
  2  
Wed 5 Mar, 2014 09:07 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
C'mon, Bill...bring in the grassy knoll...and Area 51!


Once more confirm history within both of our life times is confirm history even if you are not bright enough to know about it and or understand it and that history give every reason in the world to be concern about once more having an out of control intelligence community.

Footnote see the reason why congress after Hoover death placed a ten years limit on the term that can be service as the head of the FBI.

Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2014 09:14 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
C'mon, Bill...bring in the grassy knoll...and Area 51!


Once more confirm history within both of our life times is confirm history even if you are not bright enough to know about it and or understand it and that history give every reason in the world to be concern about once more having an out of control intelligence community.


How anybody can write a paragraph like that and talk about someone else's "brightness" is beyond comprehension.

You ought to get an eight year old to edit your posts before posting them.

Quote:
Footnote see the reason why congress after Hoover death placed a ten years limit on the term that can be service as the head of the FBI.


This one is marginally better...but only because it is shorter.
BillRM
 
  2  
Wed 5 Mar, 2014 09:36 am
@Frank Apisa,
Poor Frank first trying to discredit valid concerns base on past history by comparing that history with the grassy knoll...and Area 51 believers as if Hoover blackmailing of government leaders such as President Kennedy was of the same nature as those theories and then falling back on attacking my writing style.

Either you must be very dumb indeed to think that such behaviors will convict anyone of your positions or you view the bulk of the readers of this thread as being that dumb that such methods will work,

Only you know which of the two reasons for your behavior on this thread is correct.
BillRM
 
  2  
Wed 5 Mar, 2014 09:42 am
Area 51 my ass......

Quote:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Edgar_Hoover

According to President Harry S. Truman, Hoover transformed the FBI into his private secret police force; Truman stated that "we want no Gestapo or secret police. The FBI is tending in that direction. They are dabbling in sex-life scandals and plain blackmail. J. Edgar Hoover would give his right eye to take over, and all congressmen and senators are afraid of him".[6]

Hoover hunted down and threatened anyone who made insinuations about his sexuality.[55] He also spread unsubstantiated rumors that Adlai Stevenson was gay to damage the liberal governor's 1952 presidential campaign.[55] His extensive secret files contained surveillance material on Eleanor Roosevelt's alleged lesbian lovers, which some speculate was for the purpose of blackmail—as well as material on presidents' liaisons, including those of John F. Kennedy.[55]
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Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 5 Mar, 2014 09:46 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Poor Frank first trying to discredit valid concerns base on past history by comparing that history with the grassy knoll...and Area 51 believers as if Hoover blackmailing of government leaders such as President Kennedy was of the same nature as those theories and then falling back on attacking my writing style.

Either you must be very dumb indeed to think that such behaviors will convict anyone of your positions or you view the bulk of the readers of this thread as being that dumb that such methods will work,

Only you know which of the two reasons for your behavior on this thread is correct.




For you to call anyone else dumb...is like Chris Christie calling someone else fat.

BillRM
 
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Wed 5 Mar, 2014 10:11 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
For you to call anyone else dumb...is like Chris Christie calling someone else fat.


Trying to discredit valid concerns of an out of control intelligence community by comparing the history of Hoover blackmailing for decades US leaders and shapers in and out of the government with believing in area 51 is as dumb as can be.
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Wed 5 Mar, 2014 11:10 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
For you to call anyone else dumb...is like Chris Christie calling someone else fat.


Trying to discredit valid concerns of an out of control intelligence community by comparing the history of Hoover blackmailing for decades US leaders and shapers in and out of the government with believing in area 51 is as dumb as can be.


For you to call anyone else dumb...is like Chris Christie calling someone else fat.
BillRM
 
  2  
Wed 5 Mar, 2014 11:45 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
For you to call anyone else dumb...is like Chris Christie calling someone else fat.


Poor poor dumb baby all you can do is repeat that above comment as there is no way even you can try to defend tying in the history of the misused of the intelligence community by Hoover in order to blackmail with area 51 or wild theories on the Kennedy assassination for that matter.
Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 5 Mar, 2014 11:52 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
For you to call anyone else dumb...is like Chris Christie calling someone else fat.


Poor poor dumb baby all you can do is repeat that above comment as there is no way even you can try to defend tying in the history of the misused of the intelligence community by Hoover in order to blackmail with area 51 or wild theories on the Kennedy assassination for that matter.


Yup...for you to call anyone else dumb, is hilarious.

Thanks for the laughs! Wink
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 5 Mar, 2014 12:10 pm
@Frank Apisa,
The legal work done by US-secret services is supervised by the democratically elected Senate intelligence committee, correct?

And the work and actions of those senators and staff are legally monitored by the CIA, correct?
Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 5 Mar, 2014 12:38 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

The legal work done by US-secret services is supervised by the democratically elected Senate intelligence committee, correct?


Not the Secret Service...which is a part of the Treasury Department.

But the intelligence community, as far as I know, is monitored by congressional committees...both Senate and Houses of Representative Select Committees.

The executive branch (the President) has lots of responsibilities in these matters...and there are monitoring responsibilities that fall to other government agencies besides those already mentioned here.

Quote:
And the work and actions of those senators and staff are legally monitored by the CIA, correct?


Hummm...I am going to defer on that Walter. I do not know for sure...but I suspect there is a dance that takes place among the various factions involved with intelligence operations.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 5 Mar, 2014 12:47 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Sorry, with "secret service" I meant the intelligence services.
(Here secret service is "spying", intelligence service is done by the police - though I do know the differences, I sometimes make mistakes translating in the three languages [German, English, American English].)
BillRM
 
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Wed 5 Mar, 2014 02:39 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
Sorry, with "secret service" I meant the intelligence services.


Not a damn reason to apologize as I am sure that we all knew your meaning and only Frank would make any kind of a big deal over your used of the term secret service as your meaning was crystal clear from the content of your posting.
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Olivier5
 
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Wed 5 Mar, 2014 03:29 pm
@revelette2,
Could happen... That's the problem with this NSA ****: if a politician condones it, you can never be sure it's not out of fear.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 8 Mar, 2014 03:33 pm
@Olivier5,
From the article: 'What does ISP mean?' - how government officials are flunking security challenges
Quote:
Snowden - traitor or hero?

The argument over NSA surveillance has been reduced to bumper sticker values, Singer argued.

Three difference kinds of activity that have been exposed. The first bucket is that the NSA carries out espionage against American enemies - smart, strategic espionage. The second is legally and politically questionable, and related to mass collection of American citizens’ information collected either directly by the agency or by its allies.

“The third is what you could kindly call unstrategic - or stupid - directly targeting close america allies and leaders and undermining American technology companies. People want to say Snowden was a traitor or a whistleblower and we pull from the bucket we care the most about, but that’s a bumper sticker way of talking about it because people can simultaneously do both good and bad actions.”
Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 10 Mar, 2014 11:44 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Snowden has shown the 'huge disparity of surveillance and power', says Gellman
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Government needs reminding that they work for us, says Pulitzer-winning reporter Barton Gellman, who describes Edward Snowden as ending an era of indifference to surveillance

Encryptions tools must be simplified and made accessible for the mainstream, Pulitzer-winning journalist Barton Gellman said on Monday, calling on the tech industry to have the courage and ingenuity to help address the disparity of power between the people and their government.

Addressing the SXSW festival shortly before Edward Snowden’s live speech by video, Gellman said we are a long way off simple, transparent encryption tools. He cited Pew research which found that 88% of Americans say they have taken steps to protect their privacy in some form.

“With all the user interface brains out there we could get easier tools,” the said. “But it’s not just the ability to encrypt, it’s a frame of mind, a workflow and a discipline that is alien to most people, and that is the opposite to the open nature of the consumer internet. You could use Tor to access a site a hundred times, but the 101st time you forget, you may as well not have used Tor.”

“There are people at this conference who have taken very considerable risk to protect the privacy of their customers and have put themselves at the edge of the door to jail and it will take courage as well as ingenuity to change the way things work.”

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