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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Sat 1 Mar, 2014 02:01 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Poor Frank as now he know that the UK government have all his sexual video chats with IZZ and others...... Razz


Are you so obsessed with me that you must bring me into this part of your discussion?

I love it! Wink
BillRM
 
  2  
Sat 1 Mar, 2014 06:54 pm
@Frank Apisa,
It so nice to know of all the resources being spend on spying on the American people and the EU population and even the chat rooms of game programs and not wasted on such unimportant things as the Russian military and Russian leadership as they invade Ukraine.

Those chat videos between Frank and Izza is of must more important.
JTT
 
  2  
Sat 1 Mar, 2014 07:23 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank: Are you so obsessed with me that you must bring me into this part of your discussion?

I love it.
--------

That must be the thousandth time you have used that line, Frank. Why can't a top NJ editorial writer come up with some ne material?
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Frank Apisa
 
  0  
Sun 2 Mar, 2014 07:20 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

It so nice to know of all the resources being spend on spying on the American people and the EU population and even the chat rooms of game programs and not wasted on such unimportant things as the Russian military and Russian leadership as they invade Ukraine.

Those chat videos between Frank and Izza is of must more important.


I do not take what you say very seriously, Bill...and I doubt many people here do. I realize it is just your obsession pulling your strings.

Have a nice day. We are going to get more snow. Wink
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Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Mon 3 Mar, 2014 01:40 am
Labour to overhaul spy agency controls in response to Snowden files
Quote:
Labour will on Monday [today] propose substantial changes to the oversight of the British intelligence agencies, including the legal framework under which they operate, in response to the revelations emerging from files leaked by Edward Snowden. ...

The shadow home secretary, Yvette Cooper, is preparing to argue that the current arrangements are unsustainable for the government, and that it is damaging to trust in the agencies if ministers continue to hide their heads in the sand.

In a speech that represents Labour's most serious intervention since the controversy about the scale of state surveillance broke last summer, she will say: "The oversight and legal frameworks are now out of date. In particular that means we need major reforms to oversight and a thorough review of the legal framework to keep up with changing technology."

Nick Clegg, the deputy prime minister, by coincidence will also this week make a speech setting out his party's views on privacy and security.
[...]
Frank Apisa
 
  0  
Mon 3 Mar, 2014 06:41 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Labour to overhaul spy agency controls in response to Snowden files
Quote:
Labour will on Monday [today] propose substantial changes to the oversight of the British intelligence agencies, including the legal framework under which they operate, in response to the revelations emerging from files leaked by Edward Snowden. ...

The shadow home secretary, Yvette Cooper, is preparing to argue that the current arrangements are unsustainable for the government, and that it is damaging to trust in the agencies if ministers continue to hide their heads in the sand.

In a speech that represents Labour's most serious intervention since the controversy about the scale of state surveillance broke last summer, she will say: "The oversight and legal frameworks are now out of date. In particular that means we need major reforms to oversight and a thorough review of the legal framework to keep up with changing technology."

Nick Clegg, the deputy prime minister, by coincidence will also this week make a speech setting out his party's views on privacy and security.
[...]



WHAT I KNOW:

Speeches have been made to demand that spying end.

WHAT I GUESS:

More will be made tomorrow...and even more in the more distant future. Some will be reasonable...and impassioned.

ANOTHER GUESS:

Spying will continue.
revelette2
 
  1  
Mon 3 Mar, 2014 07:41 am
On a kinda ironical note:

Russia Blocks Web Pages Linked To Ukraine Protests

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Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Mon 3 Mar, 2014 08:17 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

Spying will continue.
Without any doubts.
But here, it's about privacy rights and legal backgrounds for such. (Which includes the legal basis for spying.)
Frank Apisa
 
  0  
Mon 3 Mar, 2014 08:21 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

Spying will continue.
Without any doubts.
But here, it's about privacy rights and legal backgrounds for such. (Which includes the legal basis for spying.)


Not sure of your point, Walter...but it sounds like an interesting area to pursue. If you'd care to elaborate, I'd like to address it.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 3 Mar, 2014 09:51 am
@Frank Apisa,
I just and only wanted to say that in (most) democratic countries there is a legal framework under which spying is done.
Frank Apisa
 
  0  
Mon 3 Mar, 2014 10:29 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

I just and only wanted to say that in (most) democratic countries there is a legal framework under which spying is done.


Seems to me that the nature of spying precludes much adherence to that sort of thing...or more exactly, the nature of EFFECTIVE spying precludes is.

And I doubt any of us here are able to reasonably comment on whether individual intelligence communities actually respect the constrains politicians in their states attempt to impose on them.

But...to each his own.

Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 3 Mar, 2014 10:45 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
And I doubt any of us here are able to reasonably comment on whether individual intelligence communities actually respect the constrains politicians in their states attempt to impose on them.
Criminals don't "respect the constrains politicians in their states attempt to impose on them" either.
Frank Apisa
 
  0  
Mon 3 Mar, 2014 10:51 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
And I doubt any of us here are able to reasonably comment on whether individual intelligence communities actually respect the constrains politicians in their states attempt to impose on them.
Criminals don't "respect the constrains politicians in their states attempt to impose on them" either.


You are correct, Walter.

But you are being naive if you think spies are going to follow rules set up by politicians...or at least, follow them to the max.

The US has rules...probably as many as Germany.

Are you saying that the Germans are a more honest, trustworthy, and less duplicitous segment of humanity than Americans?
revelette2
 
  1  
Mon 3 Mar, 2014 10:55 am
The NSA I guess has pushed the Patriot Act as far as they could, if in the end, it goes to the Supreme Court and they tell them they went too far, they will have to be reigned in, like it or not. Believe it or not, I hope that happens.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Mon 3 Mar, 2014 10:56 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

Are you saying that the Germans are a more honest, trustworthy, and less duplicitous segment of humanity than Americans?
I don't know. But what I do know is that any known breaking of laws is punished.

And "yes", I'm quite naïve.
Frank Apisa
 
  0  
Mon 3 Mar, 2014 10:58 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

Are you saying that the Germans are a more honest, trustworthy, and less duplicitous segment of humanity than Americans?
I don't know. But what I do know is that any known breaking of laws is punished.


I would expect that first you good folk determine if indeed there was a breaking of the law.

We do that also...through the court system.

Maybe no laws were broken.
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Olivier5
 
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Tue 4 Mar, 2014 12:51 am
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:

The NSA I guess has pushed the Patriot Act as far as they could, if in the end, it goes to the Supreme Court and they tell them they went too far, they will have to be reigned in, like it or not. Believe it or not, I hope that happens.

Let's hope the NSA doesn't have embarrassing stuff on any of the justices. Otherwise they could easily be blackmailed into submission.
revelette2
 
  1  
Tue 4 Mar, 2014 08:28 am
@Olivier5,
Rolling Eyes
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Tue 4 Mar, 2014 08:46 am
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:

Rolling Eyes


I'm waiting for the grassy knoll to be introduced! Wink
RABEL222
 
  1  
Tue 4 Mar, 2014 09:44 pm
@Olivier5,
Too late. They already submit to billionares.
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