Snowdon is a dummy

@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

I don't want that other posters call me again childish or similar.

But I don't think that you can imagine how it is when you have to live under such circumstances like the generation of parents/grandparents did ... and what millions still remember from their time living the GDR.

All kidding aside, Walter...I acknowledge that I cannot imagine what it was like to live under those circumstances.

Peace, Walter.

We both want the same thing...a world where people can live in peace and harmony. I want to see our species grow up to where the notion of spying will be an anachronism.

I am just dealing with the here and now...and there are times it is difficult to appreciate the perspective you (and others who lived under that oppression) bring to the issue. I am not trying to be callous...I just am addressing it from my perspective.

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@Frank Apisa,

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All kidding aside, Walter...I acknowledge that I cannot imagine what it was like to live under those circumstances.

An yet you are all for the setting up of a super GRD type surveillance state and the tearing up the constitution in order to do so.

All base on the claim needs to do so in order to deal with a few middle east terrorist cells.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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All kidding aside, Walter...I acknowledge that I cannot imagine what it was like to live under those circumstances.

An yet you are all for the setting up of a super GRD type surveillance state and the tearing up the constitution in order to do so.

All base on the claim needs to do so in order to deal with a few middle east terrorist cells.

You have no perspective of the world situation at all, Bill...and your mind is shut as tight as a bank vault.

But you have to live with that...not I.

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@Frank Apisa,

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You have no perspective of the world situation at all, Bill...and your mind is shut as tight as a bank vault.

But you have to live with that...not I.

I wouldn't like to live in a state that prompted me to blurt out such stupid banalities. Or to up thumb them.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

I am just dealing with the here and now...and there are times it is difficult to appreciate the perspective you (and others who lived under that oppression) bring to the issue. I am not trying to be callous...I just am addressing it from my perspective.

Exactly: the here and now.
According to all what senior US-politicans and security officials said (and you, Frank), all this NSA-spying is about security and terrorists.

Merkel obviously is no excluded and no danger to the USA anymore. But about 320 senior ministers, politicians and businessmen in Germany are.
(And it seems that the spying on them is done from US-institutions on German soil.)

All that for a world where people can live in peace and harmony...

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
I am just dealing with the here and now...and there are times it is difficult to appreciate the perspective you (and others who lived under that oppression) bring to the issue. I am not trying to be callous...I just am addressing it from my perspective.

Exactly: the here and now.
According to all what senior US-politicans and security officials said (and you, Frank), all this NSA-spying is about security and terrorists.

Merkel obviously is no excluded and no danger to the USA anymore. But about 320 senior ministers, politicians and businessmen in Germany are.
(And it seems that the spying on them is done from US-institutions on German soil.)

All that for a world where people can live in peace and harmony...

Well let's just forget about that peace and harmony, Walter. Let's all hate each other...and reject any overtures toward reconciliation...and harbor as much animosity as possible towards each other.

Let's all say that either we become perfect immediately...or we must treat each other as scum.

Works for me.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

Well let's just forget about that peace and harmony, Walter. Let's all hate each other...and reject any overtures toward reconciliation...and harbor as much animosity as possible towards each other.

...

Works for me.

As it seems, for the USA as well.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

Well let's just forget about that peace and harmony, Walter. Let's all hate each other...and reject any overtures toward reconciliation...and harbor as much animosity as possible towards each other.

...

Works for me.

As it seems, for the USA as well.

Yeah...for me and the USA...but most of all for you, Walter. You seem to want that more than anything. I was at least trying to break away from it.

Keep sulking. That ought to make a big difference.

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@Walter Hinteler,

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I don't want that other posters call me again childish or similar.

Ah, my fellow poster, Walter Hinteler, you're still laboring under the belief I intended you among others when using the expression "second childhood." I wasn't criticizing another's different viewpoint, but the juvenile behavior of name calling. Any adult calling other posters "dumb" "ignorant" and "stupid" persistently is behaving in a puerile manner. It also might be spiteful behavior on behalf of the offender believing it one way to get under the skin of the one he's criticizing. I find you to be one of the most objective insightful foreign posters on this specific site even though we disagree regarding Edward Snowden....I have certainly learned much from your wisdom. My, if we all agreed on everything this would be a very mind-numbing message board.

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@Moment-in-Time,

MiT, you are dumb ignorant stupid cloying and obsequious.

And some others that escape me at the moment.

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@Moment-in-Time,

I assume, MiT, that you consider Apisa telling Walt to "keep sulking" is not an insult.

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@spendius,

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I assume, MiT, that you consider Apisa telling Walt to "keep sulking" is not an insult.

On the contrary, I find telling someone to "keep sulking" very subtle criticism in comparison to vicious ad hominem attacks continually referring to someone as stupid, ignorant, dumb; in my personal opinion, the critic may also be described as a bully who is trying to gain control over his adversary by using this tactic. I would not mind my critics advising me to "keep sulking."

In point of fact, Spendius, with the exception of the occasional post, I'm not that thrilled with this specific thread. I don't like seeing my country slandered; I realize the US has made some high-priority mistakes, like Iraq for openers, and it will continue to make mistakes until it gets it right which might not ever be but we can try to avoid the same false moves again; it's my country for good or worse. The very idea that I would betray my country by stealing military and other confidential classified documents, giving them to reporters in other countries is repugnant to me! There is no love for Edward Snowden from me.

Have a good week....I'm off to a workshop.

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@Moment-in-Time,

"Keep sulking" is an insult when the person it is aimed at is not sulking as I don't think Walt is or was.

Apisa is cheating the argument by continually diverting attention from the simple and obvious fact that it is the spying on citizens using their own money, directly and that used to educate the spooks, without due cause.

Until that fact was revealed nobody had a problem with what the intelligence community was up to except possibly it's failures before 9/11, Benghazi and Boston.

Apisa addressing himself to the general situation as it was before Eddie's revelation constitutes lies and it is certainly "stupid, ignorant and dumb" when the thread concerns those revelations.

The debate is not about whether there should or should not be intelligence gathering as Apisa is trying to make it be. It is about us all being spied upon.

Apisa had no choice but to support the government in the Ukraine using the arguments he has presented here. And look at it now. The ex-President is a fugitive from the cops.

If you can get Apisa to address the real issue perhaps posters might cease insulting him.

He's the most insulting person I have come across on A2K. He goes much further than stupid, ignorant and dumb.

That he implies that posters are homosexual as an insult is derogatory to homosexuals as well as to the targets of such slimy invective.

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@Olivier5,

Hey JTT, you 'forgot' to address my list of historical good deeds by the US... As I knew you would. Smile

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@Moment-in-Time,

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The very idea that I would betray my country by stealing military and other confidential classified documents, giving them to reporters in other countries is repugnant to me!

If Bush was president, you wouldn't mind as much.

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@Walter Hinteler,

It's a free for all of spying because they can. The sane cannot now stop them.. unless we can manage to defund them, a possibility with bleak chance of happening.
The apparent stopping of spying on Merkel and only Merkel is a gesture that is embarassing in its raw tokenism.

Very very invasive behavior on our u.s. part.

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@Moment-in-Time,

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The very idea that I would betray my country by stealing military and other confidential classified documents, giving them to reporters in other countries is repugnant to me! There is no love for Edward Snowden from me.

The very idea that the leadership of my country would in secret attacked the constitution and in doing so used my tax money to fund spying on me and every other citizen of the US is more then repugnant to me!!!!!!!!!!

Then added the misused of the power to declare the evidence of this crime secret in order to punish a whistleblower is beyond repugnant.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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The very idea that I would betray my country by stealing military and other confidential classified documents, giving them to reporters in other countries is repugnant to me! There is no love for Edward Snowden from me.

The very idea that the leadership of my country would in secret attacked the constitution and in doing so used my tax money to fund spying on me and every other citizen of the US is more then repugnant to me!!!!!!!!!!

Then added the misused of the power to declare the evidence of this crime secret in order to punish a whistleblower is beyond repugnant.

The guy is charged with stealing classified government documents, Bill. Since you are so dedicated to following the Constitution...that document provides for laws...and what happens when laws are broken.

Snowden should stand trial for the alleged crimes...present his defense...and allow the process prescribed by the Constitution to take place.

Why are you trying to attack the Constitution...and destroy the system it establishes?

Just wonderin'. Wink

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@Moment-in-Time,

Right on, MiT...right on!

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@Frank Apisa,

Sorry criminals that have attacked the constitution, broke their oaths of offices by doing so and then lied to congress should not be in any position to decide to prosecuted the very person who had brought their crimes to the light of day.

Nor should criminals be allow to declare secret the very proof of their misdeeds/crimes.

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