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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
JTT
 
  -1  
Fri 14 Feb, 2014 10:21 am
@cicerone imposter,
CI: I have always spoken up when our presidents did well ... .
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Could you give just one example, CI?
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izzythepush
 
  2  
Fri 14 Feb, 2014 10:21 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
But you are a third world power


And here comes the bigotry. We've the 7th largest economy in the World.

Anything to avoid the truth. You keep going on about how much worse we are than you so you can keep torturing. It's only a matter of time before you feel justified in letting your troops run rampant over here. After all we're just a bunch of subhuman Brits.
JTT
 
  1  
Fri 14 Feb, 2014 10:24 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank: Oh, I see. Thank you for sharing that.
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Now that's capital T Top editorial writer stuff, frank.

I especially like the forthright manner in which you address things.
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JTT
 
  0  
Fri 14 Feb, 2014 10:46 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank: No Brit should ever indulge in name-calling about abuse of world might...because you guys were masters of it.
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I should like to see the scorecard for the UK and the USA as regards countries plundered, innocents slaughtered. As I have mentioned before I welcome correction but I believe that the Americans have the Brits beat for sadistic cruelty. The USA has operated in relative "modern times" much like the Spanish did in a earlier time, cruelty for cruelty sakes.

The numbers of dead just don't add up for a country, the USA, that is supposedly, the saviour of the oppressed.
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JTT
 
  0  
Fri 14 Feb, 2014 10:50 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank: No Brit should ever indulge in name-calling about abuse of world might...because you guys were masters of it.

There's a whole passel of words that could describe this - irony and hypocrisy immediately leap to mind.
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JTT
 
  0  
Fri 14 Feb, 2014 10:54 am
@izzythepush,
Frank is such an amateur, izzy. What is wrong with you?
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Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Fri 14 Feb, 2014 11:04 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
But you are a third world power


And here comes the bigotry.


I am an unabashed Anglophile, Izzy. I love the UK...and wish I could go back there for a very long visit (money intrudes).

I have no bigotry against the UK whatsoever.

But you do to the UK what the Ugly American does for America.


Quote:
We've the 7th largest economy in the World.


Big deal. One of our states, California, is the 12th largest economy in the World...and that is just one state among 50.

Quote:
Anything to avoid the truth.


Then stop doing it. I have no problem dealing with the truth...and you shouldn't either.


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You keep going on about how much worse we are than you so you can keep torturing.


I despise the fact that we torture...I despise it with every fiber in my body.

But compared with what Great Britain was like when it was the dominant power on the planet...we are gentle and reasonable.

Great Britain was a monster when it was a world power...and, yes, I dare to suppose that if it were a world power again, it would act with much less restraint than the US does now.

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It's only a matter of time before you feel justified in letting your troops run rampant over here. After all we're just a bunch of subhuman Brits.


I have never considered Brits to be subhuman...and I said, I am an Anglophile in every respect. This last paragraph of yours was just rubbish intended to deflect from the truth of what I have been saying about Great Britain when it was a world power.
izzythepush
 
  2  
Fri 14 Feb, 2014 11:17 am
@Frank Apisa,
Nonsense Frank, you've made it clear you think America can do no wrong, and Britain can do no right.. Despite our soldiers fighting in your wars, Iraq being a prime example, you still think of us as less than human. There's nothing we can do to make you think otherwise.

As long as your soldiers are occupying our island you can issue threats with casual abandon.

Obviously we're only entitled to an opinion if it agrees with yours.

You turned a discussion into Snowden into an excuse to excoriate Britain and the British.

China's world dominance can't come soon enough.
JTT
 
  0  
Fri 14 Feb, 2014 11:31 am
@Frank Apisa,
Reality check time - tho' frank & izzy can't see it. Sad

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“We’re at War!” — And We Have Been Since 1776: 214 Years of American War-Making

Since 1776 the USA has not been at "war" for a mere 21 years.

“I should welcome almost any war, for I think this country needs one.” -President Theodore Roosevelt, at the turn of the century [1]

Islam is inherently more violent than other religions. This is the Supreme Islamophobic Myth. Yes, there are other core beliefs of Islamophobia (Islam is sexist, oppressive, discriminatory, the list goes on…), but nothing is more critical to anti-Muslim bigots than associating Islam with violence, war, and terrorism. This, in turn, is used to justify bombing, invading, and occupying Muslim countries–what I call the Supreme Islamophobic Crime.

We see this quite clearly in the jingoistic rhetoric against Iran, a Muslim country that is portrayed as being inherently violent and warlike. This is then flipped around, using the argument that we must attack them before they attack us.

Yet, this is a Myth–the Mother of all Myths. It is the United States that has been waging wars of aggression, not Iran. Ahmed Rehab challenged Bill O’Reilly on this point by asking him: “How many countries has Iran attacked in the past 50 years?” The answer is, of course, zero. Meanwhile, the United States and her “stalwart ally” Israel have attacked numerous Muslim countries, as I recently portrayed in this graphic:

See graphic at,

http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/12/we-re-at-war-and-we-have-been-since-1776/
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Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Fri 14 Feb, 2014 11:31 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Nonsense Frank, you've made it clear you think America can do no wrong,
and Britain can do no right..


Izzy...you are so full of it, it makes no sense to argue with you.

But I love doing it anyway...so I will continue.

At no point have I ever said or intimated that America can do not wrong...and at no point have I ever said or intimated that Britain can do no right.

That is a complete fabrication on your part, which I will overlook because you obviously have no reasonable rebuttal to what I have actually been saying.



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Despite our soldiers fighting in your wars, Iraq being a prime example, you still think of us as less than human. There's nothing we can do to make you think otherwise.


More totally nonsensical fabrication, Izzy. I have no idea why you would think I think poorly about the British...let alone think they are less than human...but that is something you have completely made up yourself.

For the record, I consider the British to be our brothers and sisters...and there is no country for which I have more respect.

You are in an unnecessary and unreasonable rage, Izzy.

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As long as your soldiers are occupying our island you can issue threats with casual abandon.


We do not occupy your island nation, Izzy...and I think you are sick for suggesting that we, or anybody else, is doing so.

Quote:
Obviously we're only entitled to an opinion if it agrees with yours.


You are always entitled to your own opinions in discussions with me, Izzy. I have no idea of what is going on with the bizarre rage of yours, but get over it, man.

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You turned a discussion into Snowden into an excuse to excoriate Britain and the British.


I have done no such thing, Izzy. N0t in any way, shape, or form. You are totally in straw man world right now. You seem to be exhibiting an incredible amount of anger and scorn for America...and I am not in any way returning those sentiments in my regard for the British.

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China's world dominance can't come soon enough.


It may already may be here.

Sounds like unbridled envy at work here, Izzy. You ought to get that under control.
JTT
 
  0  
Fri 14 Feb, 2014 11:40 am
@Frank Apisa,
Reality check continued:

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But if the future of America promises Endless War, be rest assured that this is no different than her past. Below, I have reproduced a year-by-year timeline of America’s wars, which reveals something quite interesting: since the United States was founded in 1776, she has been at war during 214 out of her 235 calendar years of existence. In other words, there were only 21 calendar years in which the U.S. did not wage any wars.

To put this in perspective:

* Pick any year since 1776 and there is about a 91% chance that America was involved in some war during that calendar year.

* No U.S. president truly qualifies as a peacetime president. Instead, all U.S. presidents can technically be considered “war presidents.”

* The U.S. has never gone a decade without war.

* The only time the U.S. went five years without war (1935-40) was during the isolationist period of the Great Depression.

When we look at the present situation (see map above) and our violent past (see timeline below), is it not a bit hypocritical of us to point the finger at Muslims? Whenever I hear “good Judeo-Christian American patriots” telling me how violent Muslims are and how Islam supposedly endorses Perpetual War–I cannot help but think of how their own “Judeo-Christian nation” has been locked in perpetual warfare since its inception.

The U.S. was born out of ethnic cleansing, a violent process that had started long before 1776 and would not be complete until 1900. In other words, more than half of America’s existence (about 53%) has been marked by the active process of ethnic cleansing of the indigenous population, which was ultimately all but destroyed.

If the Islamophobes insist that the Armenian Genocide, which took place in the span of eight years, defines the Ottoman Empire (which existed for over 600 years, meaning the Armenian Genocide lasted only 1% of its existence), then would they be consistent and use this logic to argue that the ethnic cleansing of the American Indians (which spanned more than a century and a quarter, or 53% of America’s existence) defines the United States? Or would they use it to demean Christianity overall as they do Islam? (Note: Benjamin Taghov has made this comparison on our website before; see here.)

By looking at America’s many wars throughout history, it becomes apparent that it is not radical Islam that propels the country to war. Rather, it is America’s trajectory of war and conquest, which has always been in the direction of expanding hegemony. In the start, the country expanded by occupying American Indian lands, portraying its indigenous population as inherently violent and warlike. In 1823, U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice John Marshall wrote: “The tribes of Indians inhabiting this country were fierce savages, whose occupation was war…” [2]

The American Indians were thought to be an existential threat to the United States (a classic case of projection or role inversion): John Quincy Adams, for example, wrote that “the savage Indians” were out to “wage an exterminating war” against the “peaceful inhabitants” of the United States [3]. It was the same message then as it is now: we must attack them before they attack us.

As Indian land was gobbled up by the use of force and fraud, the U.S. border expanded to the periphery of Mexico (which at that time consisted of most of the West Coast and Southwest of the modern United States). Hungry for this land too, the U.S. invaded Mexico, and “Mexicans were portrayed as violent and treacherous bandits who terrorized” the people [4]. American belligerence towards Mexico heated up in the 1800′s, culminated in the U.S. annexation of half of Mexico’s land (leaving right-wingers today to wonder “why so many Mexicans are in our country?”), and seamlessly transitioned into the Banana Wars of the early 1900′s.

Once the Americans had successfully implemented Manifest Destiny by conquering the land from sea to shining sea, the Monroe Doctrine was used to expand American influence in the Caribbean and Central America. Thus began the Banana Wars, a series of military interventions from 1898 all the way to 1934, which attempted to expand American hegemony to the south of its borders. America’s brutality in this part of the world is not well-known to most Americans, but it is well-documented.

During this time period, Hispanics were portrayed as “cunningly dangerous bandits” [5]. The Banana Wars came to an end in 1934 with the adoption of the “Good Neighbor Policy,” a policy that was adopted because “World War II was looming in Europe and Asia” and the U.S. wanted “to secure Latin American allegiances and hemispheric unity as a protection against foreign invasion” [6].

(Ibid)
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BillRM
 
  1  
Fri 14 Feb, 2014 12:10 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
As long as your soldiers are occupying our island you can issue threats with casual abandon.


My lord are you trying to claim the US have enough troops base on your island to be a serous threat to the Brit army and military!!!!!!!!!!

If so you are the very first person that I ever hear made such a claim

I know our troops are good but 10,000 troops most being bases support personal seems a little too small of a force to be a threat to your nation.

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How many US troops are there currently in the United Kingdom?
Chris asked 3 years ago
Answer
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SM answered 3 years ago
Army: 355
Navy: 443
Marines: 75
Air Force: 8,952

These are the latest figures, they're probably outdated because they're from 2007.
Source:
http://siadapp.dmdc.osd.mil/personnel/MI...
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spendius
 
  1  
Fri 14 Feb, 2014 02:51 pm
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/books/2014/02/has-the-new-replaced-literature.html

Some here might find this interesting.
spendius
 
  1  
Fri 14 Feb, 2014 02:55 pm
@spendius,
Perhaps those who do find it interesting will say so and then I can see who is worth taking any ******* notice of.
anonymously99
 
  0  
Fri 14 Feb, 2014 07:57 pm
@spendius,
A first.
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Olivier5
 
  1  
Fri 14 Feb, 2014 11:01 pm
@JTT,
JTT: What point in their history might that have been, Olivier?

O5: I think the so-called great generation was truly great. I have a lot of admiration for what they did, and the manner they did it. Those were the times when you could indeed say the US were a benevolent superpower. And they ******* saved the world from the axis, not alone of course but they plaid a big role.
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Olivier5
 
  1  
Fri 14 Feb, 2014 11:05 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
They all think they're above the law. Like I said, we're are lead by idiots.

Power corrupts like you say, and super-power corrupts superlatively...
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Olivier5
 
  1  
Fri 14 Feb, 2014 11:08 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Freer? Possibly. Stupider, certainly.
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Sat 15 Feb, 2014 07:10 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Freer? Possibly. Stupider, certainly.


Freer...definitely.

Stupider...perhaps part of a general slide of humanity toward stupider...and perhaps not stupider at all.

But I suppose it made you feel good to make the charge...and so good came of it. Wink
spendius
 
  1  
Sat 15 Feb, 2014 07:24 am
@spendius,
I do so understand why nobody found Lee Siegel's article in the New Yorker to be interesting.
 

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