Snowdon is a dummy

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.who want to piss and moan and lament that the US is a dictatorship...

Strange I do not know of anyone who had stated it had gone that far off the rail yet, just heading in that direction as fast as some of our rulers can push it that way.

Now how free we are at the moment depend of how must of a blackmail network the intelligence community had set up to date.

We have no real way of knowing if Obama who was for placing limits on the NSA before being elected change his mind after getting a visit from someone in the NSA similar to visits that Hoover had with US presidents/congressmen in the past.

Frank doesn't do "believing." He lives on guesses, and wonders if his reality is real! LOL

You wrote,

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And he's as thick as a large stack of telephone directories.

Worth a requote.

Possibly, Spendi? And doesn't this massive delusion intrigue you?

You are very courageous to stand up and speak your mind in a nation so far on its way toward despotism!

The European parliament is to ditch demands on Wednesday that EU governments give guarantees of asylum and security to Edward Snowden, the National Security Agency whistleblower.

The parliament's civil liberties committee is to vote on more than 500 amendments to the first ever parliamentary inquiry into the NSA and GCHQ scandal, a 60-page report that is damning about the scale and the impact of mass surveillance.

But there is no consensus on an amendment proposed by the Greens calling on EU governments to assure Snowden of his safety in the event that he emerges from hiding in Russia and comes to Europe.

Amid what key MEPs have described as intense pressure from national governments on parliament – from the Conservatives and their allies, from the mainstream centre-right and from social democrats – the asylum call has no chance of passing.

"The amendment asking for asylum won't go through," said Claude Moraes, the British Labour MEP who is the principal author of the report. "That was a red line for the right. There was never going to be a realistic majority for that. ... ... ...
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Instead the report will call for international protection for whistleblowers without mentioning Snowden by name. Another amendment calling on the Americans not to prosecute Snowden is also unlikely to be adopted, parliamentary sources said.
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You are very courageous to stand up and speak your mind in a nation so far on its way toward despotism!

Why am I brave as whatever is happening is still mainly happening behind the scenes.

The train is not off the track yet but there are government agents working on removing more and more constitutional safeguards.

Hell they have not have the courage yet to arrested news reporters and editors who are breaking the same laws as Snowden at best they gave the better half of one reporter a hard time in the London airport for a few hours.

One sign that the balloon is going up is when you see FBI agents bringing out reporters and editors out of major newspapers offices in handcuffs.

All in the name of fighting terrorists.

You're the one who started dismissing all criticism of the NSA as being anti-American and therefore baseless.

You've not engaged honestly in debate, resorting to sneers, mockery and sexual innuendo.

Anything to avoid the truth, which is that both the NSA and MI5 have broken their own countries laws. Instead of facing any legal redress the whistleblower is persecuted.

You may not see the creeping fascism here, but to blithely accept that it's necessary, and that everyone else would do it given the chance, is to imperil the freedoms brave people died for.

Edward Snowden asylum demand dropped by European parliament

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The European parliament is to ditch demands on Wednesday that EU governments give guarantees of asylum and security to Edward Snowden, the National Security Agency whistleblower.

The parliament's civil liberties committee is to vote on more than 500 amendments to the first ever parliamentary inquiry into the NSA and GCHQ scandal, a 60-page report that is damning about the scale and the impact of mass surveillance.

But there is no consensus on an amendment proposed by the Greens calling on EU governments to assure Snowden of his safety in the event that he emerges from hiding in Russia and comes to Europe.

Amid what key MEPs have described as intense pressure from national governments on parliament – from the Conservatives and their allies, from the mainstream centre-right and from social democrats – the asylum call has no chance of passing.

"The amendment asking for asylum won't go through," said Claude Moraes, the British Labour MEP who is the principal author of the report. "That was a red line for the right. There was never going to be a realistic majority for that. ... ... ...
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Instead the report will call for international protection for whistleblowers without mentioning Snowden by name. Another amendment calling on the Americans not to prosecute Snowden is also unlikely to be adopted, parliamentary sources said.
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Now, I'm as much in favor as the next guy of major drug busts

I had not thrown any rubbish your way, and you responded with sneers.

Germany has not spied on its allies and to suggest that it would is libellous.

I note Obama has not been foolish enough to suggest such a thing. I have been very careful not to limit my criticism to America, Britain is as guilty.

This thread is as much about whether or not certain shady characters in the NSA and MI5 as Snowden.

As it is, it looks like Snowden is staying put, so you'll just have to suck it up, as will I.

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Germany has not spied on its allies and to suggest that it would is libellous.

You have no idea of whether or not Germany has spied on its allies or any other countries...and neither do I. I have said it seems that all countries have spied on other countries...and I stand by that comment.

I freely acknowledge that it is an opinion...and only an opinion, based on what I have read about world history.

In no way is it libelous.