Snowdon is a dummy

@hawkeye10,

My weak fidelity for the rule of law? Where does that come from?

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@Olivier5,

Some people fail to see that our own government has no respect for the rule of law!

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@JTT,

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“There’s no country where we have a no-spy agreement,” Obama replied. The so-called “Five Eyes,” Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and the United States, have shared intelligence information since the end of World War II. Those sharing agreements don’t include a ban on spying in the other country.

But Obama highlighted changes he ordered agencies to make to curtail direct surveillance of foreign leaders after such programs were revealed by Edward Snowden.

Speaking after Obama, Hollande said he and Obama had put the controversy behind them, but said there must be an expectation of privacy for ordinary people around the world.

“Following the revelations that appeared due to Snowden, we clarified things, Mr. Obama and myself, we clarified things. And then this was in the past,” Hollande said “Mutual trust has been restored.”

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All sunshine and cupcakes or tout le monde il est beau, tout le monde il est gentil.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier: My weak fidelity for the rule of law? Where does that come from?

Explained above your post.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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You seem so discontent, you ought to consider following Edward Snowden...and emigrate to Russia where you undoubtedly would be much happier...and freer.

Strange as you are the one who desire to live in a nation where the constitution is a dead letter and the government is free to not only used the citizens own funds to do mass spying on the population but to keep that spying secret from the population that is the victim of that very spying.

In other word you are the one who wish to live in a police state.

Not really. I am very happy here...but I notice that you are not. You seem to think it is a police state.

Go live in Russia...or Uganda...and see if there is a difference.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

Spendi's right about you, when you're on your back foot you either sneer, claim to be laughing your head off, or make lewd suggestions.

While that limited repertoire may play well out on the boardwalk, it doesn't cut any ice here.

Sorry you feel that way, Izzy.

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Same thing goes for all those other guys here who wish America well...and want to see it become a better place!!!!

What an incredible bunch of hypocrisy from malcontents...who want to piss and moan and lament that the US is a dictatorship...

...while posting comment after comment of derision about the government and its leaders.

It is worth a laugh...but not much more.

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@Frank Apisa,

And you march right out, Frank, and do exactly what Izzy pointed out the exact manner Spendius described.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

It is worth a laugh...but not much more.

There you go again.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

What an incredible bunch of hypocrisy from malcontents...who want to piss and moan and lament that the US is a dictatorship...

Frog in the saucepan analogy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog

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@izzythepush,

You mean there he went again, twice, in successive posts. I've got a fiver saying Frank goes at least one more.

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@hawkeye10,

Hawk...I know we don't agree very often, but I suspect we are closer here in thought here than in most of our discussions.

Some of these people are now so desperate they actually advocate putting people on trial for having views that differ from theirs...and then they dare to give lectures on how best to preserve the systems we now have in place.

They view America as a fascist state...a totalitarian state...yet the American among them feel completely free to voice their distaste for government and institutions...and know damn well they will not be censured or pay any price for their tirades.

Hey...one of the prices of the kind of freedom we enjoy is to have these people around spreading their nonsense.

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@Frank Apisa,

Damn! I shuda bet lots more.

Any port in a storm, eh, Frank?

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Some people fail to see that our own government has no respect for the rule of law!

You ought be worried more about the citizens who have no respect for the rule of law, ci. People like you who pretend indignation with the government...but would allow individuals to decide for themselves what laws they have to obey and which can simply be put aside, because THEY think that violating those laws is for the common good.

That kind of thinking is a formula for anarchy and chaos.

I know you have to pretend you didn't read this...but that only adds to the fun I am having at your expense. Laughing

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@Frank Apisa,

Shiiiiiit! I cudav been wealthy.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

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“There’s no country where we have a no-spy agreement,” Obama replied. The so-called “Five Eyes,” Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and the United States, have shared intelligence information since the end of World War II. Those sharing agreements don’t include a ban on spying in the other country.

But Obama highlighted changes he ordered agencies to make to curtail direct surveillance of foreign leaders after such programs were revealed by Edward Snowden.

Speaking after Obama, Hollande said he and Obama had put the controversy behind them, but said there must be an expectation of privacy for ordinary people around the world.

“Following the revelations that appeared due to Snowden, we clarified things, Mr. Obama and myself, we clarified things. And then this was in the past,” Hollande said “Mutual trust has been restored.”
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All sunshine and cupcakes or tout le monde il est beau, tout le monde il est gentil.

Well, it certainly is okay for any individual to HOPE for a preservation of privacy...and that includes President Obama and you and the others who make that so special...

...but the fact is that everything points to an endless erosion of privacy with no way to reasonably bring it under control. And I see it as a necessary step in the further evolution toward what we suppose we already are: A truly intelligent species.

At some point in the history of humanity...in order for societies to function...the rights of individuals to privacy and to license started being restricted. In fact, the rights were slowly, inexorably given up by people who wanted to live in a civilized society.

The process continues today.

We will have less privacy tomorrow...and less the day after that...less the day after that...and continuing.

Make peace with it.

It is not the disgusting thing so many want to consider it to be...any more than the original give-ups were.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
What an incredible bunch of hypocrisy from malcontents...who want to piss and moan and lament that the US is a dictatorship...

Frog in the saucepan analogy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog

Sorry you feel that way too, Izzy.

So...continue to be a malcontent...and continue to berate and heap scorn and contempt on America.

We've got broad shoulders.

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@Frank Apisa,

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To acknowledge what you do not know, is a display of strength. To pretend you know what you truly don't, is a display of weakness.

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@izzythepush,

Do you think, izzi, that if it comes to pass that Congress votes to close the NSA because it suspects that it is the members and their mates it is really interested in, Apisa will collect information from his neighbourhood and pass it to the intelligence community? From what he has said he would be letting the USA down if he didn't. And risking lives.

Dictatorships have children spying on their parents having convinced them in conditioning establishments that it is their patriotic duty.

Eddie must have got a good dose of that on behalf of freedom. And he might have felt that him having no children, unlike most of his colleagues, left him with no excuses after he had considered every detail.

He certainly did "man up"; an expression Apisa uses a lot in his snuggly, fleece-lined bunk.

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