Snowdon is a dummy

@Frank Apisa,

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DID NOT PLEAD GUILTY.

What the hell does that have to do with likely needing to turn over the files before he could get a plead deal something he is not in a position to do if he had turn the files over to newspapers.

Oh, for your information there is such a thing as an Alford plea not that have anything to do with needing to turn over the files before he is likely to need to do for getting any kind of a plea deal.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_Alford_plea_usage

List of U.S. states by Alford plea usage documents usage of the form of guilty plea known as the Alford plea in each of the U.S. states in the United States. An Alford plea (also referred to as Alford guilty plea[1][2][3] and Alford doctrine[4][5][6]) in the law of the United States is a guilty plea in criminal court,[7][8][9] where the defendant does not admit the act and asserts innocence.[10][11][12] Under the Alford plea the defendant admits that sufficient evidence exists with which the prosecution could likely convince a judge or jury to find the defendant guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.[4][13][14][15][16]

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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DID NOT PLEAD GUILTY.

What the hell does that have to do with likely needing to turn over the files before he could get a plead deal something he is not in a position to do if he had turn the files over to newspapers.

Oh, for your information there is such a thing as an Alford plea not that have anything to do with needing to turn over the files before he is likely to need to do for getting any kind of a plea deal.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_Alford_plea_usage

List of U.S. states by Alford plea usage documents usage of the form of guilty plea known as the Alford plea in each of the U.S. states in the United States. An Alford plea (also referred to as Alford guilty plea[1][2][3] and Alford doctrine[4][5][6]) in the law of the United States is a guilty plea in criminal court,[7][8][9] where the defendant does not admit the act and asserts innocence.[10][11][12] Under the Alford plea the defendant admits that sufficient evidence exists with which the prosecution could likely convince a judge or jury to find the defendant guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.[4][13][14][15][16]

A guilty plea is a guilty plea, Bill.

If Snowden were to tell the AG, "I will trade you exoneration for return of some of the classified materials I stole"...

...and the AG accepted that offer...

...it would, in effect, be capitulation to extortion.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank the rank USA propagandist: ...it would, in effect, be capitulation to extortion.

And the USA never uses extortion, threats of invasion, economic warfare, ... To get its way in the world.

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@Frank Apisa,

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"I will trade you exoneration for return of some of the classified materials I stole"...

Charges are drop all the time if the defendant can provide something the government desire such as testimony against someone else or evidence of other crimes or...............

We have a let made a deal justice system and that been going on for many generations in the US.

As far as the government standing on principles you got to be kidding me as I do not see any reporters or editors or owners of the New York Time being arrested for revealing state secrets!!!!!!!

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@BillRM,

Holden has already said they are not going to drop any charges no matter what Snowden offers in return. I mean, really the damage is already done, the information has already been compromised, supposedly he has turned over all his files to the press and that film maker lady. So he has nothing really to bargain with other than admitting his guilt and then perhaps a resolution could be reached but Snowden has said he would not plead guilty.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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"I will trade you exoneration for return of some of the classified materials I stole"...

Charges are drop all the time if the defendant can provide something the government desire such as testimony against someone else or evidence of other crimes or...............

We have a let made a deal justice system and that been going on for many generations in the US.

As far as the government standing on principles you got to be kidding me as I do not see any reporters or editors or owners of the New York Time being arrested for revealing state secrets!!!!!!!

Bill...I truly enjoy giving you the opportunity to rage and rail against our government.

You seem so discontent, you ought to consider following Edward Snowden...and emigrate to Russia where you undoubtedly would be much happier...and freer.

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@revelette2,

revelette2 wrote:

Holden has already said they are not going to drop any charges no matter what Snowden offers in return. I mean, really the damage is already done, the information has already been compromised, supposedly he has turned over all his files to the press and that film maker lady. So he has nothing really to bargain with other than admitting his guilt and then perhaps a resolution could be reached but Snowden has said he would not plead guilty.

And of course he always has the option of remaining in Russia (I;m sure they will grant him permanent status)...and enjoying a truly free government.

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@revelette2,

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So he has nothing really to bargain

That what the hell I been stating over and over and over.

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@revelette2,

Why do you just keep repeating the criminals' lines, Rev. It's the equivalent of "(mafia boss's name) went to church every Sunday and contributed to the church plate.

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@revelette2,

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism -- Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights -- Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to 'look the other way' or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause -- The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

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Ring any bells, Rev?

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@Frank Apisa,

Or coming back to the united stasi of America.

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1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism -- Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights -- Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to 'look the other way' or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause -- The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

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@Frank Apisa,

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You seem so discontent, you ought to consider following Edward Snowden...and emigrate to Russia where you undoubtedly would be much happier...and freer.

Strange as you are the one who desire to live in a nation where the constitution is a dead letter and the government is free to not only used the citizens own funds to do mass spying on the population but to keep that spying secret from the population that is the victim of that very spying.

In other word you are the one who wish to live in a police state.

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@JTT,

Michael Corleone standing Godfather in the church while his button men kill all the heads of the five families? Thought you didn't like diversions?

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@revelette2,

You missed my point. You defend the real criminals, the ones that are trashing your constitution, the ones that are making a real mockery of what the USA is supposed to stand for and you are focusing on the man who has exposed the real criminals.

"The men the American people admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth."
-- HL Mencken

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@BillRM,

Bill has got Frank dead to rights.

Expect a barrage of government approved memes, Bill.

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@revelette2,

revelette2 wrote:

. It sure would be interesting to watch.

If you're not in the dock. I bet the people who logged on to watch the autopsy of the dead giraffe thought that would be interesting to watch too.
http://able2know.org/topic/234602-1

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@Frank Apisa,

Spendi's right about you, when you're on your back foot you either sneer, claim to be laughing your head off, or make lewd suggestions.

While that limited repertoire may play well out on the boardwalk, it doesn't cut any ice here.

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@izzythepush,

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Those people who support Snowden aren't motivated by anti-Americanism, but by a hope that America could actually be better.

Very good point. It follows that those who support mass spying want America to pursue on its way to fascism, and thus that they are the true haters of America.

Not sure they deserve a fair trial but I am willing to err on the side of caution and give it to them...

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@Olivier5,

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Not sure they deserve a fair trial but I am willing to err on the side of caution and give it to them...

given your weak fidelity to the rule of law you are a fine one to pass judgement on what makes a good American.....

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@hawkeye10,

Hawkeye hawk eye hawkeye!!

You're one of the first to leap up and chastise others for the cliquish nature of A2K and here what are you doing. Olivier constantly advocates for the rule of law.

There's much to discuss about what makes a good American and your remark shows you know much of it ain't pretty. That's the reason for your lame and untruthful response.

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