Snowdon is a dummy

@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

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I've been in this forum a lot longer than you, Olivier.

Maybe you've been here for too long.

You've been here since 8 May 2013. You haven't established the credibility to tell other members they have been here too long. Just saying.

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@glitterbag,

Don't worry glitter, I'm an old fart too.

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@glitterbag,

Glitterbag: You've been here since 8 May 2013. You haven't established the credibility to tell other members they have been here too long. Just saying.

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What an idiotic response!

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@Olivier5,

... avec un ton flamand...

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@Walter Hinteler,

Hey Walter, have you been here long enough to tell me this? Wink

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@izzythepush,

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After the treatment of Bradley Manning, a lot of us think the idea that Snowden could get a fair trial, as things stand, is ludicrous.

What I find "ludicrous" is a non-American citizen on this forum acting as if he's an expert on the American justice system. Snowden is not going to be tried without a "fair" trial. His crimes will be brought be fore a jury of his peers. What proof do you currently have that the American justice system is not going to try Snowden publicly before his peers?!?

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@Olivier5,

Forcément! Wink

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@Moment-in-Time,

Moment-in-Time wrote:

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After the treatment of Bradley Manning, a lot of us think the idea that Snowden could get a fair trial, as things stand, is ludicrous.

What I find "ludicrous" is a non-American citizen on this forum acting as if he's an expert on the American justice system. Snowden is not going to be tried without a "fair" trial. His crimes will be brought be fore a jury of his peers. What proof do you currently have that the American justice system is not going to try Snowden publicly before his peers?!?

Or that it will not be a fair trial.

These people simply do not want a "fair trial"...but cannot acknowledge that. They want Snowden to be considered a hero...and not face any trial at all.

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@Moment-in-Time,

Moment-in-Time wrote:

His crimes will be brought be fore a jury of his peers. What proof do you currently have that the American justice system is not going to try Snowden publicly before his peers?!?

Snowden is charged under the Espionage Act of 1917.

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@Moment-in-Time,

It's also non Americans who have granted Snowden asylum. Americans don't rule the world anymore. You're going convince a lot more non Americans that your legal system, (which still practices the barbarity of capital punishment) gives fair trials. Judging from the responses of other non Americans on this thread, that won't be easy.

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@Moment-in-Time,

I first thought this was apisa but same diff. Even with your appalling ignorance of so many things american, MiT, you regularly opine on much.

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@Frank Apisa,

Here's Apisa, continually ranting about how it's so important for a man who exposed criminals to be tried but he, and MiT, don't want the Bush gang , or any other high officials to be prosecuted for their heinous crimes.

Do either of you understand "the rule of law"?

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@Walter Hinteler,

Ok, alors ça va... Wink

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@JTT,

I agree that George W Bush deserves a fair trial.

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@Frank Apisa,

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If you want to fantasize that you are teaching me something, Olivier....be my guest. The way you tag after me makes me charitable toward you. But you really ought do your cruising somewhere else.

He's run that number on me a good few times Olivier. And me being a good laugh. He's stopped now for some reason. I can't think what because being fancied and laughing is supposed to be great. The girls on the bar-stools seem to love it.

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@glitterbag,

It's nothing to me gbag how long somebody has been on here. It's what they post.

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@Frank Apisa,

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These people simply do not want a "fair trial"...but cannot acknowledge that. They want Snowden to be considered a hero...and not face any trial at all.

Yes, Snoweden is a hero to many with a somewhat spite against the US for whatever reason. Concurrently, among our many foreign allies, there are those who admire the US very much but yet seemingly look for flaws and are happy when the powerful US seem to have stumbled.

It's fine to have critics since perfection of any nation is unattainable, but this holding Snowden who absconded with US confidential documents, making him into an international hero is just too much. There must be some loyalty to one's land of birth. He could have gone to a number of people with his suspicions about NSF spying, but he "made himself judge and jury" over this intellectual classified material, that I have no respect for him. No one in the US of stature recommends amnesty for Snowden and in fact hearts have hardened..

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@Walter Hinteler,

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Moment-in-Time wrote:
His crimes will be brought be fore a jury of his peers. What proof do you currently have that the American justice system is not going to try Snowden publicly before his peers?

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Walater Hinteler wrote:
Snowden is charged under the Espionage Act of 1917.

Interesting. Thank you, Walter Hinteler for this additional information. Snowden might be able to appeal and subsequently, the case might be thrown out.....who knows?

An excerpt from Wiki below:

"Among those charged with offenses under the Act are German-American socialist congressman and newspaper editor Victor Berger, former Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society president Joseph Franklin Rutherford, communists Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, Pentagon Papers whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg, Cablegate whistleblower Chelsea Manning (formerly Bradley), and NSA contractor and whistleblower Edward Snowden. Rutherford's conviction was overturned on appeal.[1] The most controversial sections of the Act, including the original section 3, under which Rutherford was convicted, were repealed in 1921.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espionage_Act_of_1917

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@Frank Apisa,

I joke a few days ago that you were in love with me, and used the term "unrequited" at that occasion. And lo and behold, today you argue the exact same thing and use the exact same word... I guess imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Smile

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@Frank Apisa,

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These people simply do not want a "fair trial"...but cannot acknowledge that.

That's not true. I have acknowledged that I don't particularly want Eddie getting a fair trial. I'm not convinced that the administration does either.

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They want Snowden to be considered a hero.

I don't. He is a hero to real constitutionalists otherwise there is nothing to discuss. Whether he was misguided or not he claims to have been protecting the Constitution and the Bill of Rights from the exact situation the documents were written to prevent.

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