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Snowdon is a dummy

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Frank Apisa
 
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Mon 10 Feb, 2014 01:55 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

Not sure of your point, Izzy.

How does anything you wrote here impact on what you quoted me saying?


Frank Apisa wrote:
Edward Snowden is charged with crimes committed under existing law...and to suggest that unless new laws are made which make the crimes no longer crimes a trial would not be fair...is ludicrous.



Stop acting coy Frank, it doesn't suit you.

After the treatment of Bradley Manning, a lot of us think the idea that Snowden could get a fair trial, as things stand, is ludicrous.

All the time the real spies, the ones selling America's secrets to an unfriendly power, get off Scot free.



I am not playing coy, Izzy.

And you didn’t answer my question.

What does that have to do with what you quoted me saying?

Manning was a completely different situation from this...military versus civilian.

You may not trust the US judicial system...but that may be because you have a bug up your butt about America.

And I suspect very much that you, like so many posting here, DO NOT WANT a fair trial for Snowden.

Snowden apparently doesn't either.

What he wants is amnesty.
Frank Apisa
 
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Mon 10 Feb, 2014 01:56 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

I am deeply worried about your obsessions, Frank, because they tend to litter my preferred web forum.


I've been in this forum a lot longer than you, Olivier.

I am worried (not particularly deeply) about your obsession with me.

I'm straight, Olivier. Cruise elsewhere.
JTT
 
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Mon 10 Feb, 2014 02:01 pm
@Frank Apisa,
I guess that means you won't be crossing the pond to tiptoe thru the tulips with Izzy.
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JTT
 
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Mon 10 Feb, 2014 02:05 pm
@Frank Apisa,
He can testify from anywhere, Frank, but the idea that the current USA "government" would want or tolerate an open trial is ludicrous beyond belief.

And in that, you are no different, rank apologist for war criminals/terrorists that you are.
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JTT
 
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Mon 10 Feb, 2014 02:13 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Bleach blond MiT: look at Russia's spying apparatus which recently captured senior official's "F*ck the EU" comment ... two senior US officials traded offensive remarks about the European Union and Russia caught this and aired it globally.
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State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said Nuland ...

She said that if the Russians were responsible for listening to, recording and posting a private diplomatic telephone conversation, it would be "a new low in Russian tradecraft."

__--------------------

Oh, the hypocrisy!!!!!
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Olivier5
 
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Mon 10 Feb, 2014 02:13 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
I've been in this forum a lot longer than you, Olivier.

Maybe you've been here for too long.
Frank Apisa
 
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Mon 10 Feb, 2014 02:20 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Quote:
I've been in this forum a lot longer than you, Olivier.

Maybe you've been here for too long.


I don't think so.

It must be tough for obsession such as yours to be unrequited.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 10 Feb, 2014 02:21 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
What he wants is amnesty.
Your source for this, Frank? (I'm here as long as you are!)
JTT
 
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Mon 10 Feb, 2014 02:25 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank the auto meme generator.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Mon 10 Feb, 2014 02:35 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
What he wants is amnesty.
Your source for this, Frank?


Just about everything I read heads in this direction. He laments that he has no defense. What else would he be wanting?

Quote:

(I'm here as long as you are!)


Yup.
ossobuco
 
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Mon 10 Feb, 2014 02:37 pm
@Olivier5,
Made me laugh..
Frank Apisa
 
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Mon 10 Feb, 2014 02:42 pm
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:

Made me laugh..


Glad something does!
Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 10 Feb, 2014 02:50 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
He laments that he has no defense. What else would he be wanting?
He said in the NDRARD-interview:
Quote:
They [those crimes] don’t allow me to defend myself in an open court to the public and convicne a jury that what I did was to my benefit.

That might sound like a lament.

In the mentioned interview he said:
Quote:
[He] would welcome the opportunity to talk about how we can bring this to a conclusion that serves the interests of all parties.

You can interpret that as a plea for amnesty. Or just take it as it is said.
izzythepush
 
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Mon 10 Feb, 2014 02:55 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
And you didn’t answer my question.

What does that have to do with what you quoted me saying?[/quote ]

For God's sake Do I have to spell it out?

Bradley Manning shows that a fair trial is not credible.
Frank Apisa wrote:
]Manning was a completely different situation from this...military versus civilian.


I don't think that makes any difference at all, or are you suggesting that whilst military courts may be rigged, civilian ones are OK?


Frank Apisa wrote:
]You may not trust the US judicial system...but that may be because you have a bug up your butt about America.



That's an easy way of ignoring the fact that your country, (and mine) acted reprehensively. You excuse criminal acts with the shallowest of excuses that everyone would do it if they could. The fact is that you have no evidence, and your assumption is based on nothing but prejudice. What you can't accept it that some counties, (not mine obviously,) have a far higher moral compass than America.

Angela Merkel's Germany did not spy on the White House, and to suggest that they would have, if they could have got away with it, is nothing but a vile slur.

Maybe you're the one pissed off because European nations refuse to kiss America's arse. Isn't that what's expected of us?
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spendius
 
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Mon 10 Feb, 2014 02:55 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Glad something does!


Catty what? Eh lads? A swish of a rapidly turning skirt is in order.

To think of all the times Apisa has claimed to have got a good laugh out of a post he had no answer to.
Frank Apisa
 
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Mon 10 Feb, 2014 02:58 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
He laments that he has no defense. What else would he be wanting?
He said in the NDRARD-interview:
Quote:
They [those crimes] don’t allow me to defend myself in an open court to the public and convicne a jury that what I did was to my benefit.

That might sound like a lament.

In the mentioned interview he said:
Quote:
[He] would welcome the opportunity to talk about how we can bring this to a conclusion that serves the interests of all parties.

You can interpret that as a plea for amnesty. Or just take it as it is said.



His comments ARE open to interpretation...and you can interpret them as you sense them.

I stand by my assessment as stated earlier.

It sounds to me as though he is lamenting...and that he wants amnesty.
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Olivier5
 
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Mon 10 Feb, 2014 03:00 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Didn't know you harbored homoerotic fantasies, but good use of the word "unrequited". Glad I could teach you something...
spendius
 
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Mon 10 Feb, 2014 03:02 pm
@spendius,
From American folklore, as it has penetrated our innocent land, I understand that men from New Jersey are expected to have a wisecrack ready for every occasion independently of whether any particular political or philosophical position is being taken or responded to.

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JTT
 
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Mon 10 Feb, 2014 03:02 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Do you have the foggiest notion what "source" means, Apisa?

Jesus, what apisashit!!
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Frank Apisa
 
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Mon 10 Feb, 2014 03:04 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Didn't know you harbored homoerotic fantasies, but good use of the word "unrequited". Glad I could teach you something...



If you want to fantasize that you are teaching me something, Olivier....be my guest. The way you tag after me makes me charitable toward you. But you really ought do your cruising somewhere else.
 

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