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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
JTT
 
  1  
Sat 8 Feb, 2014 10:25 am
@Frank Apisa,
You might actually get it, Frank, but in your zeal to protect war criminals and terrorists, you pretend that an American hero (almost sounds oxymoronic) is the criminal. You avoid all logic sent your way because logic is anathema to you.

How many of these thousands, tens of thousands of usa war criminals/terrorists have ever been held to account in this amoral sewer that is the USA?

And you are right in there, chest deep, aiding and abetting those criminals, albeit only with your lame excuses.
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Moment-in-Time
 
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Sat 8 Feb, 2014 10:57 am
@revelette2,
Quote:

I hadn't even thought about the above, but the author is right, Snowden hasn't talked about the Russian surveillance when he has been on TV. It don't take a genius to know that he probably rightfully fears he would be put in prison since that seems to be a practice in Russia. Moreover, I just find it suspicious that the first person he reaches out to is a Kremlin loyalist.


Actually, Revelette, at the time of Snowden's quick departure from the US, America acted to revoke his passport which caused him to be trapped in a holding pattern at the transit zone of a Moscow airport; it's impossible for him to travel freely outside of Russia.....he might be able to travel under a Russian temporary passport, although during transit he would make a tempting target for the US who are eager to get their hands on him.

Compared to Russian society, the US now seems almost like heaven in comparison. Since Edward Snowden stole classified documents, including military info from his own country of birth, making him someone not to be trusted, you'd better believe the Russians would never have confidence but keep him under a respectful surveillance. I'm sure Snowden feels somewhat squeezed where he is right now. Personally, one wonders just how thoughtfully Snowden planned his actions before doing what he did? Clearly he surely had no plan of remaining permanently in Russia with its somewhat strangled society.
BillRM
 
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Sat 8 Feb, 2014 11:00 am
@Frank Apisa,
Here is the nation under your dream Frank and take note the courts at the time did not stop this from happening.

Strange is it not the courts could not read and understood the following words but we should all just shut our minds down as the courts know best.

Quote:
FIRST AMENDMENT

AMENDMENT I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Quote:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espionage_Act_of_1917

In United States v. Motion Picture Film (1917), a federal court upheld the government's seizure of a film called The Spirit of '76 on the grounds that its depiction of cruelty on the part of British soldiers during the American Revolution would undermine support for America's wartime ally. The producer, Robert Goldstein, a Jew of German origins, was prosecuted under Title XI of the Act, and received a ten-year sentence plus a fine of $5000. The sentence was commuted on appeal to three years.[24]

In May 1918, sedition charges were laid under the Espionage Act against Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society president "Judge" Joseph Rutherford and seven other Watch Tower directors and officers over statements made in the society's book, The Finished Mystery, published a year earlier. The book had claimed that patriotism was a delusion and murder and the officers were charged with attempting to cause insubordination, disloyalty, refusal of duty in the armed forces and obstructing the recruitment and enlistment service of the U.S. while it was at war.

On June 21 seven of the directors, including Rutherford, were sentenced to the maximum 20 years' imprisonment for each of four charges, to be served concurrently. They served nine months in the Atlanta Penitentiary before being released on bail at the order of Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis. In April 1919 an appeal court ruled they had not had the "intemperate and impartial trial of which they were entitled" and reversed their conviction.[32] In May 1920 the government announced that all charges had been dropped.[33]

A year after the Act's passage, Eugene V. Debs, Socialist Party presidential candidate in 1904, 1908, and 1912 was arrested and sentenced to 10 years in prison for making a speech that "obstructed recruiting". He ran for president again in 1920 from prison. President Warren G. Harding commuted his sentence in December 1921 when he had served nearly five years.[23]


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Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 8 Feb, 2014 11:16 am
Bill...go play with your guns...and prepare for the coming onslaught of the government to take control of you.

Be sure you have your tinfoil hat on properly. Wink
JTT
 
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Sat 8 Feb, 2014 11:18 am
@Moment-in-Time,
Such base amorality coming from MiT. She postures but all she is doing is protecting her particular brand of politicians. They're all war criminals, terrorists and felons, MiT, and here you are, greedily sucking uncle sam.
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JTT
 
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Sat 8 Feb, 2014 11:27 am
@revelette2,
Moreover, I just find it suspicious that the first person he reaches out to is a Kremlin loyalist.

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Facts really are of no importance to you, are they, rev. Why are you so diligent in your efforts to protect war criminals, terrorists and felons? Why are so you intent on denigrating people who actually stand strong for what the USA is supposed to be.

This when you know beyond the shadow of a doubt that the USA is, has been from the outset just one gigantic criminal organization. Don't you feel badly cheated. You've lived a lie your whole life. Isn't it time to come clean. Think of your grand kids.
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BillRM
 
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Sat 8 Feb, 2014 11:42 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Be sure you have your tinfoil hat on properly


LOL yes we never have placed people in prison for daring to express anti-government and anti war opinions.

It never had happen now have it..............?????????????

An if it had happen for some strange reason it can never happen again even those we now have secret courts and strange things like no fly lists where people are placed on it for no know reasons and so far you have no ability to challenge being on the list in the courts.

An of course the government is not spending tens of billions a year to spy not on foreign governments but to do massive spying on US citizens.
Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 8 Feb, 2014 12:00 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Be sure you have your tinfoil hat on properly


LOL yes we never have placed people in prison for daring to express anti-government and anti war opinions.

It never had happen now have it..............?????????????

An if it had happen for some strange reason it can never happen again even those we now have secret courts and strange things like no fly lists where people are placed on it for no know reasons and so far you have no ability to challenge being on the list in the courts.

An of course the government is not spending tens of billions a year to spy not on foreign governments but to do massive spying on US citizens.


It obviously is not on properly right now, Bill.

C'mon...adjust it. You'll still be able to rave and rage.
JTT
 
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Sat 8 Feb, 2014 12:06 pm
@Frank Apisa,
BillRM has a death grip on Frank's scrotum but still frank puts on his game face.

Now I'm starting to see why you were top of English grade six class, Frank. Why one of those NJ newspapers didn't grab you up after the first editorial I'll never know.
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BillRM
 
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Sat 8 Feb, 2014 12:46 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it

Winston Churchill

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izzythepush
 
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Sat 8 Feb, 2014 12:49 pm
@revelette2,
I don't think he needed much convincing, other, smaller countries were afraid of the repercussions
Moment-in-Time
 
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Sat 8 Feb, 2014 01:41 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:

I don't think he needed much convincing, other, smaller countries were afraid of the repercussions


I agree. Snowden was just too toxic.....many countries did not want to go against US express interests in capturing Snowden. Remember when Bolivia's Presidential plane was forced to land after Snowden was rumored to be hiding on board?! Even Russia was hesitant regarding Snowden, saying he must not engage in any incendiary remarks against the US during his sojourn in Russia because he did not want to damage relationship with the US as Snowden wasn't worth it.
JTT
 
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Sat 8 Feb, 2014 01:50 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Snowden tells the truth, he doesn't want to aid war criminals, terrorists and felons. MiT does but snowden isn't worth it. Your husband probably doesn't know what a monster he is married to, eh, MiT?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 8 Feb, 2014 02:33 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Your observation about Snowden mirrors mine.
JTT
 
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Sat 8 Feb, 2014 03:03 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Remember when Bolivia's Presidential plane was forced to land after Snowden was rumored to be hiding on board?!

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No, MiT, remind us again how the USA is a rogue nation. It's absolutely ******* amazing how you assholes can brag about the criminal actions of your country.

You don't think it at all odd that you are proud to be from such a criminal nation?

Yee doggies, but we can murder and steal from innocents. Baby killing, that there is our specialty, among others.
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JTT
 
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Sat 8 Feb, 2014 03:09 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Interesting signature line, CI.

Signature
"This is an interesting example of the fact that even scholars of audacious spirit and fine instinct can be obstructed in the interpretation of facts by philosophical prejudices." -- Albert Einstein (1879-1955) "..twisted your mind

Can you see yourself or any of your compatriots in that?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 8 Feb, 2014 03:13 pm
@revelette2,
He's got now a German lawyer as well, Wolfgang Kaleck, for Germany related legal activities. (This attorney isn't connected with any Russian organisation but co-fonder and General Secretary of the European Center for Constituional and Human Rights, co-owner of a wellknown law office, author of several law books ....)

Until now the interview with Snowdon's German lawyer is only in German online.

Oh, he has nothing to do with the documents, he says, only with the legal affairs. And Snowden has no influence on what day/date they are published - because that's a decision of those journalists who'd got them.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Sat 8 Feb, 2014 03:29 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it

Winston Churchill

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You mean the part of history that says you ought not to spy on other countries????

Wake up!
anonymously99
 
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Sat 8 Feb, 2014 03:45 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Why would you spy on me?
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BillRM
 
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Sat 8 Feb, 2014 05:02 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
You mean the part of history that says you ought not to spy on other countries????

Wake up!


The kind of history that show that US citizens had been sentence to up to twenty years in prison for writing opinions that the US government did not care for at the time and the hell with the constitution as we are at war.

Then of course government to government spying or spying on terrorist groups for that matter is not the same as massive spying on the US population as a whole and once more the hell with the US constitution as we are at "war" with terrorists.

Oh and the history of how congressmen and presidents had in fact been blackmail by the intelligence community/Hoover FBI in the past for that matter.

Hard to have a government that is anything other then a totalitarian state when the state intelligence community have the means to do large scale blackmailing of elected politicians.
 

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