Snowdon is a dummy

And my criticism of the treatment of Snowden is not confined to America. Britain is as guilty as America, and if it were an MI5 agent who had leaked the documents and was avoiding trial in the UK my comments would not be any different.

When was the last time you saw something that was British, and up to date? Monty Python, Benny Hill and Keeping Up Appearances don't count.

. . . to get around the blocks your networks have placed around your programming to prevent foreign access.

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Good luck with that!

Thanks! And good luck with your Snowden trial... :-)

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I hope you stop by to read a new thread I started which covers some of this "stench of tyranny" nonsense.

And I hope you stop writing nonsense...

The thing is Frank, the phrase 'Over here in America,' is incredibly condescending. There are some posters on A2K who seek to wrap themselves in the American flag at every opportunity, to cast those of us who do not have American citizenship as being opposed to American values. Those who support gun ownership call us serfs, and try to point out our lack of 'freedom' all the time. As if we'd all want to own AK47s once we really understood what freedom really was.

There are those who seem to think that your constitution, bill of rights, various amendments, separation of church and state, et al give you a right to wag your finger and lecture us as if we're a bunch of savages living in some sort of feudal autocracy.

What you don't realise is that most of us are very much aware of how you go about things. Your global dominance of television means that around 50% of what's shown on our channels is American. Hardly a day goes by when we don't see something American. Last night I watched two episodes of South Park, one of which was all about Snowden, with Butters taking people to the DMV to confess their sins. When was the last time you saw something that was British, and up to date? Monty Python, Benny Hill and Keeping Up Appearances don't count.

There are considerably more Americans ignorant of how we go about things in Europe than the other way round. I'm spoken to many posters, quite aware and informed in other matters, who don't know the difference between Britain, England and the UK.

And my criticism of the treatment of Snowden is not confined to America. Britain is as guilty as America, and if it were an MI5 agent who had leaked the documents and was avoiding trial in the UK my comments would not be any different.

I totally understand that someone wants someone else to thrown before a jury/judge(s), if the latter had broken (local) law(s).

And I totally agree that giving secrets away is always considered by those, who "own" these secrets, to be a very sincere crime - that had been so in Nazi-Germany, in the GDR and is the same today in Russia, Germany, the UK, the USA ...

But then, there are the others. Those countries, which give asylum. Those people, for whom these secrets are an advantage.

And those, whom these secrets opened the eyes ... that they have to protest, to demonstrate.

I've done the latter during most of my lifetime, nearly was thrown out of school, because I demonstrated against the German Emergency Acts in 1967/8.
That is quite interesting, even in this context and on this thread: I was well informed about those laws, better than journalists - and that made me suspicious, even dangerous in the eyes of most teachers.
But I'd only managed to get a copy of the bill, as it was formulated by some senior civil servants ...



I don't know about my reactions if I was a law-obeying US-citizen like Frank.
I am quite happy that I (we) got and get to know about NSA's work via Snowden.
I don't think that a lot will change. But I don't want to stay silent as the generation of my parents did.

Sorry for the rant. (And I don't feel disrespected by your responses, Frank. And over the months, I'm not shocked by them anymore, too )

This stuff is available on the open market. You should pay instead of stealing content.

What get me is instead of just licensing your shows we sometimes get a US version of the same shows that is in many times inferior to the UK original shows they are base on.

I suspect the Snowden trial has a much better chance of happening.

Almost nothing I write is nonsense.

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I suspect the Snowden trial has a much better chance of happening.

I suspect otherwise.

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Almost nothing I write is nonsense.

Actually, most of what you write is boring, petty nonsense which you repeat ad nauseam.

We'll see!

if it makes you happy to think so...by all means, do it.

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We'll see!

I'm taking bets.

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if it makes you happy to think so...by all means, do it.

Likewise, if it makes you happy to call other posters' ideas nonsense, by all means call them so. Maybe if you call them nonsense often enough, it will become true...

I am taking bets about Snowden never ever facing trial.

All we need for Obama to stand trial is for him to do something REALLY objectionable, like putting his willy in an intern's mouth...