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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jan, 2014 04:03 pm
@Frank Apisa,
ha ha ha ..... no rebut, only criticism. Your opinions belong on the laffer curve. Why is the NYT article "short-sighted" on this issue?
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jan, 2014 04:11 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

ha ha ha ..... no rebut, only criticism. Your opinions belong on the laffer curve. Why is the NYT article "short-sighted" on this issue?


Why do you suppose the New York Times did not lobby for amnesty for Timothy McVeigh, ci?

McVeigh also mistrusted the government...and his defense for his actions were that someone had to hold the government to account for what he saw as governmental dishonesty.

Why do you suppose the New York Times did not ask that he be granted immunity for his actions to control his government?

JTT
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jan, 2014 04:14 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank the fool. From beginning to end.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jan, 2014 04:19 pm
@JTT,
Frank the Shank. (Shank is a golfer's term JT).
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jan, 2014 04:30 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Why should they? Is that your only "criticism?" LOL
You said the article was short-sighted. The NYT is not a legal firm; they are a newspaper company.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jan, 2014 04:41 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Why should they? Is that your only "criticism?" LOL
You said the article was short-sighted. The NYT is not a legal firm; they are a newspaper company.


Yes, you are correct. They are a newspaper company.

Moment-in-Time
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jan, 2014 06:18 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:

Yes, you are correct. They are a newspaper company.


...And Journalists/Newspapers tend to stick together to protect their own turf. After all, the more sensational the news, the more papers they sell in this world of dying newsprint. I've read the NYTimes (required reading, especially college) since high school, and it's one of the more reputable newspapers in America. I subscribe to it digitally as well as having it delivered to my door. But the New York Times is not infallible and has its faults; I think it's going to great lengths to establish its liberal bona fides and any future Snowden revelations that will be coming from the Guardian in the UK or the Washingtonpost.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jan, 2014 06:23 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Quote:
any future Snowden revelations that will be coming from the Guardian in the UK or the Washingtonpost.


They are being trailed here as hair-raising.

We will see.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jan, 2014 08:09 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
Sick sick fucks aren't good people, Oralloy.

You are mistaken. Sometimes good people do not-very-nice things to evil people. That's just the way of things.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jan, 2014 08:10 pm
@JPB,
Quote:
When someone reveals that government officials have routinely and deliberately broken the law, that person should not face life in prison at the hands of the same government. - NYT Editorial (behind paywall). Excerpts and discussion Here

When the government has not broken any laws whatsoever, and in the middle of a war a traitor steals a large number of sensitive secrets, publicly releases them where the enemy can access them, then flees to shelter in a foreign state, that traitor should be killed.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jan, 2014 08:10 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
I think that the USA have the Whistleblower Protection Act ...

... but I know: you're saying, Frank,he isn't a whistleblower.
(And as far as I understand it, it has been said that Snowden could claim whistleblower protection only if he took his concerns to the NSA’s inspector general or to a member of one of the congressional intelligence committees with the proper security clearances.)

The reason that Snowden is not a whistleblower is because the government was never doing anything wrong.

He didn't expose any wrongdoing. He just took a bunch of critical secrets and damaged US security by exposing them to the world.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jan, 2014 08:28 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Or someone who looks forward to a lot of money in the future.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jan, 2014 09:04 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
The reason that Snowden is not a whistleblower is because the government was never doing anything wrong.


LOL...........
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jan, 2014 03:44 am
Quote:
http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w641/Walter_Hinteler/a_zps0e9dfa2d.jpg
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jan, 2014 08:35 am
Now, since the largest German conservative party ("Merkle's" CDU), agreed on it as well today - our parliament can finally establish a parliamentary "NSA investigation committee".



... and more than 200 academics from all over the world have already signed a declaration against surveillance
revelette
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jan, 2014 08:57 am
@JTT,
thanks
revelette
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jan, 2014 09:06 am
@Frank Apisa,
Yours is such a logical clear cut argument that I don't see how it can be refuted without a lot of rationalizations and twisted arguments.
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jan, 2014 09:20 am
@revelette,
Your brain has been twisted by years of propaganda, Rev.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jan, 2014 09:30 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
I imagine our enemies are laughing their butts off at us...and shaking their heads.


you might also want to think seriously about what your allies/former allies are thinking and doing
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jan, 2014 10:08 am
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
I imagine our enemies are laughing their butts off at us...and shaking their heads.


you might also want to think seriously about what your allies/former allies are thinking and doing


I imagine many of them are thinking about the same as some Americans are thinking...that Snowden should be welcomed back to the United States as a hero with all charges dropped.

I think that is shallow thinking...and I think the damage he is doing to our country is much greater than any good that may come from the revelations.

But three things:

One, I recognize that decent, well-intentioned, intelligent people can disagree with me on this.

Two, I think the proper thing is for him to be returned to the United States...and for him to be given a fair trial...at which it will be decided if he should be punished for what he did...or exonerated. And if he is exonerated, the people who think he is a hero can treat him like one.

Three, I will always be much more concerned with what our enemies are thinking than what our supposed allies are. Our enemies will be our enemies through thick and thin; while many of our allies will be our allies only when and if there is something in it for them.

And right now...I image people who mean us, and many of those "allies" you mentioned, a great deal of harm...

...are damn near doubled over in laughter at how we are handling this situation.

Thanks for bringing that up, Beth.
 

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