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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 28 Dec, 2013 09:45 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
First of all it is not the first amendment but the fourth amendment

Yes. Sorry about that.


BillRM wrote:
and looking at up to a millions people in a three level search of contacts is hardly reasonable nor in having a data base on everyone phones calls in the nation that had not stop one attack is not reasonable either.

I disagree. Considering the threat posed by al-Qa'ida, I find such a database a reasonable precaution.

Keep in mind that it doesn't even record what is said in the phone calls. It merely records who called who and when.


BillRM wrote:
Then there is the little matter of some probable cause being needed

This is incorrect. Probable cause is only required for search warrants. It is not required of warrantless searches.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 28 Dec, 2013 09:59 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
Considering the threat posed by al-Qa'ida


Threat??????

Other then one hell of an attack on 911 there been little harm done by al-Qa'ida in the US since then.

Take note the two times they did get explosives onto an airliner since 911 neither function!

The shoe and the underwear bombs both was put together by idiots.

An the attack that did the most harm was done by two brothers working with their own resources and once more the intelligence agencies drop the ball.

One school shooter had killed far more people then the fear al-Qa'ida since 911 in the US.

They need to do far more work on analyzing information they are receiving not just gathering mountains of almost totally worthless info.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Sat 28 Dec, 2013 10:00 pm
@oralloy,
You,
Quote:
It is not required of warrantless searches.


An oxymoron of the worst kind!~ LOL Mr. Green
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 29 Dec, 2013 01:42 am
Spiegel has seen a document (as of February 13, 2013) and reports today that the department "Tailored Access Operations" of NSA has been able to log in the network management of the Sea-Me-We-4-cable-system, the main European telecommunication system between Europe and North Africa, the Gulf States, India, Pakistan, Singapore, Malaysia, and Thailand.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 29 Dec, 2013 06:26 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
The document proudly announces that, on Feb. 13, 2013, TAO "successfully collected network management information for the SEA-Me-We Undersea Cable Systems (SMW-4)." With the help of a "website masquerade operation," the agency was able to "gain access to the consortium's management website and collected Layer 2 network information that shows the circuit mapping for significant portions of the network."

It appears the government hackers succeeded here once again using the QUANTUMINSERT method.
Source: Inside TAO: Documents Reveal Top NSA Hacking Unit
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 29 Dec, 2013 01:22 pm
@BillRM,
Would you please stop undermining US propaganda by telling the
truth, Bill. You are such a traitor.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Reply Sun 29 Dec, 2013 02:35 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
The Guardian reports about the above mentioned Spiegel-report like other media did today, but gives some additional information, too:
Quote:
NSA 'hacking unit' infiltrates computers around the world – report
• NSA: Tailored Access Operations a 'unique national asset'
• Former NSA chief calls Edward Snowden a 'traitor'
[...]
NSA officials responded to the Spiegel report with a statement, which said: "Tailored Access Operations is a unique national asset that is on the front lines of enabling NSA to defend the nation and its allies. [TAO's] work is centred on computer network exploitation in support of foreign intelligence collection."

Der Spiegel has previously reported on documents leaked by the former NSA contractor Edward Snowden. The report on Sunday was partly compiled by Laura Poitras, who collaborated with Snowden and the Guardian on the first publication of revelations about the NSA's collection of the telephone data of thousands of Americans and overseas intelligence targets.
[...]
On Sunday, appearing on the CBS talk show Face the Nation, former air force general and NSA and CIA chief Michael Hayden called Snowden a traitor and accused him of treason. He also accused Snowden of making the NSA's operation "inherently weaker" by revealing not just the material that comes out of the agency but the "plumbing", showing how the system works inside the government.

On NBC's Meet the Press Ben Wizner, a legal adviser to Snowden, said the contrasting opinions of the two federal judges were now likely to see the case end up in front of the supreme court.

"It's time for the supreme court to weigh in and to see whether, as we believe, the NSA allowed its technological abilities to outpace democratic control," Wizner said.

Asked if Snowden, who was granted one year's asylum in Russia, should return to the US to face charges, Wizner said: "For now, he doesn't believe and I don't believe that the cost of his act of conscience should be a life behind bars."
[...]
According to the Spiegel report, TAO staff are based in San Antonio, Texas, at a former Sony computer chip factory, not far from another NSA team housed alongside ordinary military personnel at Lackland Air Force Base. The magazine described TAO as the equivalent of "digital plumbers", called in to break through anti-spying "blockages". The team totalled 60 specialists in 2008, the magazine said, but is expected to grow to 270 by 2015.

TAO's areas of operation range from counter-terrorism to cyber attacks, the magazine said, using discreet and efficient methods that often exploit technical weaknesses in the technology industry and its social media products.

The documents seen by Der Spiegel quote a former chief of TAO saying that the unit "has access to our very hardest targets" and its mission would be to "support computer network attacks as an integrated part of military operations" using "pervasive, persistent access on the global network".
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 29 Dec, 2013 02:48 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Imagine the gall, a usian of hayden's slime level accusing a patriot, a
decent human being like Snowden of treason for exposing the treasonous
behaviour of all the NSA slime.

It's phantasmagorical.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 29 Dec, 2013 02:50 pm
@JTT,
JTT, NOBODY is interested in your bull shyt!
JTT
 
  0  
Reply Sun 29 Dec, 2013 02:58 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Come out of your smelly little hole for a Xmas bath, ci?

I know many are not at all interested in hearing about the myriad war
crimes, the ongoing terrorism that is the very essence of the US.

How come you're so hot to point out Israel's crimes but not the US's
when, in so many ways, they are so inextricably intertwined?
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 29 Dec, 2013 03:01 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Actually, CI, Thomas asked you a while ago why you ignore the crimes
of the US and you ignored that too. Afraid of addressing uncomfortable
issues?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 29 Dec, 2013 03:05 pm
@JTT,
No, JTT, it's only because at the beginning I agreed with your opinions about US atrocities, but you keep hammering away at the same message with different wordings. What galls me most about you is the simple fact that you blame all Americans for what our country has done. You're an idiot - FIRST CLASS! All 'developed' cultures and countries have been involved in atrocities across this planet. You seem ignorant about most history about the different atrocities perpetrated by their own leaders against themselves and others. You're just a ******* bore. I'm putting you back on Ignore.
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 29 Dec, 2013 05:35 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Geeze, another admission from CI that he is a compulsive liar.

How come you argue until you are blue in the face on Israel, or any number
of other topics but you fall far short on crimes that are much much worse.

No, CI, your phony protestations reveal that they got to you. You were
PMed into submission.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 29 Dec, 2013 05:39 pm
@cicerone imposter,
They are not my opinions. They are the facts. Propaganda once exposed
falls apart quickly .


No counters have been put forward illustrating the common wisdom
that the USA has been a force for good. Nothing has been advanced to
counter the facts. Not a thing, ever.

Who else could possibly be to blame but the people of the USA, CI?

Remember - government OF the people.
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 29 Dec, 2013 06:25 pm
@JTT,
The US is only more efficient than others have been due to the technology it has at its disposal. And the technology is obviously a Christian invention.
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 29 Dec, 2013 06:27 pm
@spendius,
If Caligula had had nukes and ICBMs it would have been quite dangerous to have torn down a statue of him.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 29 Dec, 2013 06:46 pm
@spendius,
And who could have a problem with efficiency, right, Spendi? The Nazis
should be applauded for their continued efforts to improve the efficiency of
The Final Solution.

But in that respect you can't fault the Yanks. They too have honed, and seek to
further hone their killing machine.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 30 Dec, 2013 03:49 am
http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w641/Walter_Hinteler/b_zpsd8ecd2f0.jpg

IT firms lose billions after NSA scandal exposed by whistleblower Edward Snowden
Quote:

The National Security Agency scandal exposed by whistleblower Edward Snowden has cost American technology companies billions of dollars in lost revenue as governments and companies in its important export markets of Asia refuse to entrust the handling of sensitive data to US companies. An analysis of financial filings from technology giants IBM and Cisco by The Independent on Sunday reveals the two businesses have seen sales slump by more than $1.7bn (£1.03bn) year-on-year in the important Asia-Pacific region since Mr Snowden revealed in June that US companies had been compromised by the NSA's intelligence-gathering in the clandestine Prism programme.

"US companies have seen some of their business put at risk because of the NSA revelations," said James Kelleher of equity research firm Argus Research.
[...]
Cisco warned in November that its sales could fall as much as 10 per cent this current quarter, as new orders in emerging markets declined. Chief financial officer Frank Calderone said that the NSA spying had been cause for a "level of uncertainty or concern" with Cisco's international customers, and part of the reason for weakening demand.

IBM declined to comment but stressed that it was not one of the companies named as having provided customer data to the NSA. Mr Kelleher said that the effects of the NSA allegations added to tougher sales conditions in China, whose economic growth rate has slowed during the year.

However, the American firms' revenue losses may not be confined to Asia. The German government has called for home-grown email and internet providers and there have been talks between several countries of creating network infrastructures that bypass the US.

A survey by the Cloud Security Alliance, an industry standards organisation in the US, predicted the Prism programme could cost cloud computing firms between $35bn and $45bn in lost orders over the next three years. It said that Canada, Germany, France and other European countries have rules requiring companies to guarantee data privacy.
... ... ...
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 30 Dec, 2013 04:42 am
@Walter Hinteler,
http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w641/Walter_Hinteler/a_zpsdad59df0.jpg

Meanwhile, the above mentioned documents are online @ Spiegel (in the German edition only now).

http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w641/Walter_Hinteler/b_zps0919fdfc.jpg
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 30 Dec, 2013 06:20 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Shopping for Spy Gear: Catalog Advertises NSA Toolbox
Quote:
When it comes to modern firewalls for corporate computer networks, the world's second largest network equipment manufacturer doesn't skimp on praising its own work. According to Juniper Networks' online PR copy, the company's products are "ideal" for protecting large companies and computing centers from unwanted access from outside. They claim the performance of the company's special computers is "unmatched" and their firewalls are the "best-in-class." Despite these assurances, though, there is one attacker none of these products can fend off -- the United States' National Security Agency.
[...]
These NSA agents, who specialize in secret back doors, are able to keep an eye on all levels of our digital lives -- from computing centers to individual computers, and from laptops to mobile phones. For nearly every lock, ANT seems to have a key in its toolbox. And no matter what walls companies erect, the NSA's specialists seem already to have gotten past them.
[...]
Many of the items in the software solutions catalog date from 2008, and some of the target server systems that are listed are no longer on the market today. At the same time, it's not as if the hackers within the ANT division have been sleeping on the job. They have continued to develop their arsenal. Some pages in the 2008 catalog, for example, list new systems for which no tools yet exist. However, the authors promise they are already hard at work developing new tools and that they will be "pursued for a future release."
 

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