Snowdon is a dummy

Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.[/size]

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Right...they should limit themselves to monitoring people

No they should monitor everyone who are living on the damn planet and the few that are off the planet for that matter.

Tell you what if you got your wish you would indeed need to monitor everyone as you would had created a far far greater threat to the state then a few terrorists you started with.

That would make some profilers in the police forces jobless .... but creat a lot of new jobs at the secret services ... and counter-spying agencies as well ... and would crate a new kind of "yellow press" ... and ... would make Frank finally feel safe.

Frank would not feel safe at all if he would get his wish as far too large a percent on the population would then feel it time to overthrown that government for a more sane one at whatever cost that would be needed.

Millions of honorable men of the Snowdons type in and out of the government would take actions under the following ...............

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Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.[/size]

I feel safe enough to use my real name here on the Internet...and not some phony initials stuff, BillRM!

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I feel safe enough to use my real name here on the Internet...and not some phony initials stuff, BillRM!

Sure you do Frank as you are planning on being a supporter of the upcoming police state instead of the defender of the constitution.....LOL

Not that with all the information I had posted concerning myself on this website I could not be located and ID for a few thousands dollars of government resources.

They just could not just find me by demanding the IP addresses I had access this site from by any secret order to Robert.

Bill has read Robert's Rules of Order?

I am saying you are happy to be a traitor to any oath you had taken in your life to defend the constitution Frank and therefore have no fear of any future police state government knowing who you are.

Is that clear enough?

I'm not a native English speaker. And when reading what another wrote, I sometimes get it wrong. My bad

I am not a traitor...I simply have a different opinion from you on this contentious issue.

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I am not a traitor...I simply have a different opinion from you on this contentious issue.

Sure you are as you supporting the government not following the constitution with special note of the bill of rights.

You do not determine what is and what is not Constitutional, Bill. Neither does Snowden. That job is left to the SCOTUS (albeit, not by the Constitution.)

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.[1]

Technology is not something humankind can control. It is an event that has befallen the world.

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Technology is not something humankind can control. It is an event that has befallen the world.


Professor John Gray. London School of Economics. A liberal stronghold.