Snowdon is a dummy

oralloy wrote:

No, there was no harm from the spying. The spying was completely legitimate.

State to state spying is however not the massive spying that is not legitimate.

That is incorrect. Considering the threat posed by groups like al-Qa'ida, it is reasonable to conduct searches to try to detect such groups before they can attack us.

oralloy wrote:

That is incorrect. Considering the threat posed by groups like al-Qa'ida, it is reasonable to conduct searches to try to detect such groups before they can attack us.

You mean by recording all my snail mail and email and internet web surfing and phone calls along with most to the planet is going to be useful!!!!!!!!

Even with super computers all you are doing is burying the people you should be looking at in a pile of completely innocent communications/information.

You are aiding the terrorists by wasting so must resources in a capture everything programs.

All those phone records had not aid the stopping of one repeat one terrorist attack since it was begin for example.

Useful in blackmailing a senator or two for having affairs straight or gay or such however to made sure they vote the way your wish them to vote.

We don't know that is the case. Since Snowden managed to damage the program so gravely that it is no longer of any use in fighting terrorism, it is clearly being spun as the sacrificial lamb that will be canceled. Just because it is being spun as useless doesn't mean it really was.

No, I mean by recording data showing who you called, when you called, and for how long you called. So if they suspect that there is a network of suspicious people, they can see if those people are calling each other, and see who else they've been calling.

You mean a man appointed by our president would lied to the American people in a manner that make the administration look worst!!!!!!!

They can also do a Hoover and find all kind of materials to be able to blackmail house and senator members.

I am confident that the NSA is not blackmailing any American politicians.

Given the history of the FBI under Hoover why are you confident of any such thing?

Have human nature change since Hoover blackmail Presidents and congress members?

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That is incorrect. Considering the threat posed by groups like al-Qa'ida, it is reasonable to conduct searches to try to detect such groups before they can attack us.

You mean by recording all my snail mail and email and internet web surfing and phone calls along with most to the planet is going to be useful!!!!!!!!

Even with super computers all you are doing is burying the people you should be looking at in a pile of completely innocent communications/information.

As it was in such attacks as 911 the information was there just bury in far far less information then we are collecting now.

You are aiding the terrorists by wasting so must resources in a capture everything programs.

All those phone records had not aid the stopping of one repeat one terrorist attack since it was begin for example.

Useful in blackmailing a senator or two for having affairs straight or gay or such however to made sure they vote the way your wish them to vote.

No, Bill...they should not be doing that. They should only check on people they know mean us harm!
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No, Bill...they should not be doing that. They should only check on people they know mean us harm!
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I think I see a crack in the wall!

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No, Bill...they should not be doing that. They should only check on people they know mean us harm!
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Sure Frank and on the other hand the police should be able to search every home in the nation looking for criminal misdeeds as after all why do we need probable cause as we are going to miss criminals if we only focus of people that we have reasons to think might had broken the law.

What a god awful world you wish to live in all to deal with a few terrorists and the minor threat they happen to be to all of us.

The intelligence services should just spy on people they know are going to attack us...and leave everyone else alone.

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The intelligence services should just spy on people they know are going to attack us...and leave everyone else alone.

The intelligence services should not try to act as a all knowing god and try to monitor all of us and instead focus on somewhat likely threats.

Such a government as you claims is needed to deal with a few men with box cutters or pressure cookers bombs is far more evil then the terrorists.

They should limit themselves only to people they know mean to harm us.

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They should limit themselves only to people they know mean to harm us.

Or have some minor likelihood of being a threat to the nation not everyone in the damn country.

Of course if you do get a police state when more and more people will indeed become a threat to that state as no one love or have any loyalty to that state not even the rulers themselves.

Right...they should limit themselves to monitoring people