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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Wed 27 Nov, 2013 10:30 am
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:
One can tell the difference between the thinking man, or woman, by the way they express themselves with facts ...
I wouldn't like to be in the other category, but seems that I am.
And it seems as well that you and Frank have over-read some facts or not noticed them - like e.g. what is going on Europe, in the UN and elsewhere.
Headlines and reports from yesterday and today:
US lawmakers in Berlin for NSA talks
UN Advances Internet Privacy Resolution
NSA surveillance: Europe threatens to freeze US data-sharing arrangements
... ... ...
spendius
 
  1  
Wed 27 Nov, 2013 10:51 am
@Frank Apisa,
Apisa couldn't sit in a serious discussion with a Catholic scholar for 2 minutes. He would be up and out of there in a jiffy.

He uses the expression "Catholic scholar" to flatter himself that he was more than a match for such a being. And "demonstrably false" is a simple self-serving assertion.
spendius
 
  1  
Wed 27 Nov, 2013 10:56 am
@spendius,
Is it true that Obarmy said that he could "have a conversation" with ES if he will fix his computer problems with the AHA?
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Olivier5
 
  2  
Wed 27 Nov, 2013 11:13 am
@Frank Apisa,
Fantacising about the murder of people and calling good-minded citizens "self-hating" is your kind of fun?
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Wed 27 Nov, 2013 11:27 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Fantacising about the murder of people and calling good-minded citizens "self-hating" is your kind of fun?


Where did I fantasize about the murder of people?

Where did I call good-minded citizens "self-hating?"
Olivier5
 
  1  
Wed 27 Nov, 2013 11:48 am
@Frank Apisa,
Playing idiot is your kind of fun too?
spendius
 
  1  
Wed 27 Nov, 2013 11:49 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
It's all together, Olivier. I'm just here enjoying myself.


Only with those he thinks he can afford to toy with. He has given up with me. So that tells you what he thinks of those he does enjoy himself with.

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BillRM
 
  1  
Wed 27 Nov, 2013 12:00 pm
Hoover had return from his grave it would seems far more powerful then when he was alive and trying to get the Rev King to killed himself.

Thanks once more to Snowdon for revealing this threat to our freedoms and privacy.

Quote:


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25118156

NSA 'planned to discredit radicals over web-porn use'
NSA operation at Fort Meade, Maryland
The document highlights ways to embarrass six Muslim targets

The US authorities have studied online sexual activity and suggested exposing porn site visits as a way to discredit people who spread radical views, the Huffington Post news site has reported.

It published a document, leaked by former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden, identifying two Muslims said to be vulnerable to accusations of "online promiscuity".

An official said this was unsurprising.

But campaign group Privacy International called it "frightening".

"Without discussing specific individuals, it should not be surprising that the US government uses all of the lawful tools at our disposal to impede the efforts of valid terrorist targets who seek to harm the nation and radicalise others to violence," Shawn Turner, director of public affairs for National Intelligence, told the Huffington Post.

Continue reading the main story
Microsoft encryption
Microsoft is considering rolling out new encryption initiatives, according to a report in the Washington Post.

It says Microsoft is concerned about a programme called Muscular alleged to involve the NSA and GCHQ working together to intercept data from the private cables connecting companies' computer servers.

Google and Yahoo have already announced similar moves.

By digitally scrambling the information, the companies would make it harder for the agencies to make sense of intercepted files, potentially making the cyber-spies more reliant on formal requests.

However, both the NSA and GCHQ are also known to be working on counter-encryption efforts.

A spokeswoman for Microsoft was unable to comment at this time.

Washington Post
Privacy International said: "This is not the first time we've seen States use intimate and private information of an individual who holds views the government doesn't agree with, and exploit this information to undermine an individual's message."

The report came shortly after a group of United Nations experts adopted a "right to privacy" resolution.

The UN's Human Rights Committee said it was "deeply concerned at the negative impact" the interception of data "including extraterritorial surveillance" could have "`in particular when carried out on a mass scale".

The resolution will be passed by the UN's General Assembly before the end of the year, but is largely symbolic since it is not legally binding.

'Sexually explicit'
The latest of Mr Snowden's leaked document is dated October 2012 and says it was distributed by the office of the director of the NSA to other US government officials.

Edward Snowden
Edward Snowden's leaks have prompted anti-surveillance demonstrations in several countries
It names six Muslims whom it describes as "prominent, globally resonating foreign radicalisers" about whom surveillance efforts had revealed potential "vulnerabilities that can be exploited".

It says the information is largely based on gathered "Sunni extremist communications", including material sourced by the FBI.

"Some of the vulnerabilities, if exposed, would likely call into question a radicaliser's devotion to the jihadist cause, leading to the degradation or loss of his authority," it says.

One example is evidence of the target "viewing sexually explicit material online or using sexually explicit persuasive language when communicating with inexperienced young girls".

Others include proof of the target:

using donations to pay personal expenses
charging exorbitant speaking fees
using questionable sources and contradictory language in public messages
None of the six individuals who appear in the report are accused of being directly involved in terrorism.

But the document says one of the two said to have been involved in "online promiscuity" had previously been imprisoned for inciting hatred against non-Muslims, and the other had been involved in promoting al-Qaeda propaganda.

Of the four other targets, one is said to be vulnerable to being exposed for being "attracted to fame" and another for having a "glamorous lifestyle".

GCHQ
GCHQ says its own net surveillance efforts are authorised and proportionate to the threat of terrorism
Privacy International spokesman Mike Rispoli said: What is frightening about the NSA's capabilities are that they collect massive amounts of information on everyone, including your political beliefs, contacts, relationships, and internet histories.

"While these documents suggest this type of personal attacks are targeted in nature, do not forget that the NSA is conducting mass surveillance on the entire world and collecting a vast amount of information on nearly everyone."

A spokeswoman for the NSA's UK equivalent - GCHQ - declined to comment on details of the Huffington Post's report.

But she highlighted the UK government's Counter-Terrorism Strategy, which discusses using the internet to gather evidence against individuals in order to challenge terrorist propaganda.

"All of GCHQ's work is carried out in accordance with a strict legal and policy framework which ensures that its activities are authorised, necessary and proportionate, and that there is rigorous oversight," she added.

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Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Wed 27 Nov, 2013 12:01 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Playing idiot is your kind of fun too?


I am not playing idiot; I am not an idiot; and I do not have to call others idiots.

Anything else I can help you with?
BillRM
 
  1  
Wed 27 Nov, 2013 12:03 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
I am not playing idiot;


Thanks for posting at least part of a statement that I can agree with.
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Olivier5
 
  1  
Wed 27 Nov, 2013 12:08 pm
@Frank Apisa,
"Idiot" won't do but "self-hating American" is fine. I see.

Are you a self-hating American, Frank? Why do you hate the constitution so much? Why do you hate your fellow citizens with such passion?
BillRM
 
  1  
Wed 27 Nov, 2013 12:16 pm
@Olivier5,
Or that I myself should killed Snowdon as I am someone looking for a reason to kill according to Frank.

Other then insects the only creature I had killed in my now 65 years on the planet was a large rat that my cats had corner in my home with a BB gun.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 27 Nov, 2013 12:36 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

"Idiot" won't do but "self-hating American" is fine. I see.

Are you a self-hating American, Frank? Why do you hate the constitution so much? Why do you hate your fellow citizens with such passion?



Tell ya what...I withdraw the "self-hating American" comment. You are correct, it was over-the-top.

I still think Snowden ought to be returned to the United States to stand trial for some serious crimes of which he accused...but to suppose that everyone who disagrees with that hates America or is self-hating in any way is inappropriate.
Olivier5
 
  1  
Wed 27 Nov, 2013 12:39 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Tell ya what...I withdraw the "self-hating American" comment. You are correct, it was over-the-top.

Good for you.
RABEL222
 
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Wed 27 Nov, 2013 05:51 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter. The Europeans and English countries along with many others knew about NSA when it was first started in Bushes administration. What is going on now is politicians covering their asses just as U. S. of A. politicians have been doing for 100 years. I am not impressed by all the politicians claiming they dident know whether american or foriegn. And I dont care if they all kick our military out of the various countries. Maybe than our politicians will start worrying about whether or not americans have jobs and enough money to live on. $800 billion would go a long way toward making jobs for us. And I am tired of American kids getting blown up for Israel or Saudi Arabia or any other foriegn country. I care about just as much as they care about the U S which is not at all.
RABEL222
 
  1  
Wed 27 Nov, 2013 05:53 pm
@spendius,
O I dont know about that. I have been a catholic for about 78 years and some of the stuff you post as catholic doctrine is bull shyt.
RABEL222
 
  1  
Wed 27 Nov, 2013 05:56 pm
@Olivier5,
It will be interesting to see if you admit to over the top crap when you post it.
spendius
 
  2  
Wed 27 Nov, 2013 05:58 pm
@RABEL222,
Quote:
O I dont know about that. I have been a catholic for about 78 years and some of the stuff you post as catholic doctrine is bull shyt.


Such as? Any fuckwit can make declarations.
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BillRM
 
  1  
Wed 27 Nov, 2013 06:24 pm
@RABEL222,
Quote:
first started in Bushes administration


NSA been around since 1952 as NSA by Presidential order and had a long history of not following it charter and spying on US citizens even before the internet.

Quote:
I am tired of American kids getting blown up for Israel or Saudi Arabia


Since when had American kids been blown up in Israel or Saudi Arabia? As far as not caring about that area of the world it would be nice if we have enough fuel to drive our cars around the block once a week or so or not allow that area to be a staging area for attacks on us for that matter.
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Olivier5
 
  1  
Wed 27 Nov, 2013 06:43 pm
@RABEL222,
That will be fascinating.
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