Snowdon is a dummy

And it might be better than what he will have almost anywhere else.

Well, since you stated that "we will each have less and less personal privacy...and there are both good and bad sides to that", I just wanted to know what the good sides could possibly be. Turns out you don't know... No big deal.

We are roughly at the same state as the colonies was in the late 1760s to early 1770s under English rule.

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And it might be better than what he will have almost anywhere else.

Please please tell me where in the world would he get a worst deal then the US government would care to offer him?

He would be insane to allow himself to be return to the US and footnote the one man who was part of the Booth group that not only survive but live to be an old man in freedom ran to the Canadian border.

If he had not run like hell at the time the picture below would have one more person on the gallows with him hanging right by his mother.

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belongIf he is found guilty...that is where hes

That was the worst quote I've ever seen published on A2K. Congratulations. At last you have found something you excel at.

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By the way I bet you think that George Washington should had been capture and return to England to be hung as he did break a lot of laws and was a traitor to his King.

How much...and who holds the money? This is a sure win for me...so I would be careful if I were you.

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We have a US government that is more and more illegitimate that well need to rule more and more using sheer power and terror and not moral standing.

You ought to be paid to stop using English. You mangle it. Whatever you were saying there...I disagree.

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We are roughly at the same state as the colonies was in the late 1760s to early 1770s under English rule.

So...how many slaves do you own?

I've already answered the question twice, Olivier.

I understand you are craving a "victory" of some sort...and all you do is to keep running into punches, but this newest tactic goes nowhere.

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I've already answered the question twice, Olivier.

Not really. You talk about the advantages of video surveillance, a point which I conceded but which is not relevant to the actions of Snowden or his alledged dumbness.

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I understand you are craving a "victory" of some sort...and all you do is to keep running into punches, but this newest tactic goes nowhere.

Lame. You understand nothing. Try and focus not on what you fancy I 'crave' but on what I and many others around here are actually saying.

This is not about me, nor is it about you.

Well you are doing a damned good job of making it seem you are focusing on me and you!

You oughta get over that, Olivier.

The US government will more than likely "offer him" a fair trial.

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Well you are doing a damned good job of making it seem you are focusing on me and you!

No no, all along I was merely trying to get you to address the issues rather than shoot the messenger... I feel sorry if in this process I had to be a bit harsh with you but I think your evasive debating style asked for it.

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The US government will more than likely "offer him" a fair trial.

An why should he surrender himself to any trial even assuming it would be "fair' and that is unlikely given that the current government is not following the constitution and even are using secret courts something that only dictatorships are suppose to do.

I remember growing up hearing about secret courts and political trials with star chambers under the USSR an being told how superior we are as we would never have any such a system.

An why should he surrender himself to any trial even assuming it would be "fair' and that is unlikely given that the current government is not following the constitution and even are using secret courts something that only dictatorships are suppose to do.

The way I see it Snowden is done and dusted. It is mere revenge which is driving the mission to get him. The cat is out of the bag. It is simply a damage limitation exercise, a set back, and will be smoothed over.

Now...if you want to do what I do with you just about every post...and actually quote in box something I have said...and question me about it...I may accommodate you.

We don't need him to surrender. We need to get him on the inside of a thermobaric fireball. Nice and crispy.

I am sure the government spends sleepless nights worried about it.

The very idea that whistleblower Edward Snowden is being listened to in Germany is an affront to many Americans. His Moscow meeting with Green politician Hans-Christian Ströbele has caused quite a stir in the US.

“It would be a disaster for American-German relations, if Snowden came to Germany and publicly testified before the Bundestag." What Green MP Christian Ströbele ultimately is hoping for after his surprise visit with Edward Snowden in Moscow , would be a nightmare for Stephen Szabo of the German Marshall Fund, as well for the Obama administration.

The relationship between the two countries is headed towards "a deep, downward spiral," says Szabo. This must be stopped. If Snowden were to come to Germany with official blessing, the situation would escalate further, warns the long-time Germany expert and vice-president of the German Marshall Fund in Washington.

In the US, Snowden is a traitor

Ströbele´s meeting with Snowden got media attention in the US. It was reported by National Public Radio, CNN and other media outlets. but, while Snowden in Germany is considered enlightened, he is in the eyes of many in the US- and especially President Obama - a traitor.

Particularly sensitive is the fact that Snowden, according to Ströbele, is apparently ready to testify in Germany about NSA spying. This intention is also underscored by an open letter from Snowden. That German Interior Minister, Hans-Peter Friedrich, has even welcomed the news, saying he "was glad to hear it" has left official Washington speechless; even if most US experts believe Snowden is unlikely to go to Germany.

"Slap in the face of the Americans "

In an interview with Deutsche Welle, Caitlin Hayden, spokeswoman for the National Security Council of the United States, did not directly mention Friederich´s or Ströbele´s comments, but pointed out that Washington was still seeking to prosecute Edward Snowden in a US court. Hayden did not answer the question of whether the United States would insist on Snowden´s extradition if he visited Germany.

"If it really happens, it would be a slap in the face to the Americans, there's no question about that," said Jackson Janes, Director of the American Institute for Contemporary German Studies (AICGS) at Johns Hopkins University in Washington. "It's the same as with Moscow, where they have permitted Snowden to remain - and it could mean: we do not trust you," he told DW.
Janes interprets the growing interest of the German federal government and parliament in a statement from Snowden - wherever he would make it – as a no-confidence vote against the Obama administration .

The former American ambassador to Berlin, Phil Murphy, is among those who more cautiously formulate their views: Germany has every right to be concerned about the surveillance, he said, and, of course, as a sovereign state can actively investigate. But the first country Snowden should go to is still the United States, he emphasized. Murphy said he understood that Germany needed "tangible results" to move forward towards a "solution to the crisis," however, the former diplomat questioned whether Snowden being interviewed by German authorities and parliamentarians was the right way forward .
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