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Snowdon is a dummy

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hawkeye10
 
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Fri 18 Oct, 2013 02:49 pm
snowden might be judged a traitor, but he absolutely is not stupid. this guy took a ton of top secret data with no one realizing that it was gone, AND he has evaded all attempts by the former super power USA to get him in relative comfort.
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Olivier5
 
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Fri 18 Oct, 2013 02:52 pm
@Frank Apisa,
You can disagree all you want. I disagree with many people here in a generally courteous manner. But I have no patience for intellectually dishonest people, and that's what, after a while, I concluded you were.
BillRM
 
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Fri 18 Oct, 2013 02:59 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
I haven't missed any of that, ci. What is your point?

We are talking about Snowden here.


You can not talk about Snowden without putting his actions in content of an out of control government.
Frank Apisa
 
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Fri 18 Oct, 2013 03:01 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

You can disagree all you want. I disagree with many people here in a generally courteous manner. But I have no patience for intellectually dishonest people, and that's what, after a while, I concluded you were.



You concluded incorrectly. There is nothing intellectually dishonest about my comments.

You obviously disagree...and you are trying to do it in a disagreeable way.

No problem.

It is fun to watch.

So you can go back to your "generally courteous manner" now.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Fri 18 Oct, 2013 03:03 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
I haven't missed any of that, ci. What is your point?

We are talking about Snowden here.


You can not talk about Snowden without putting his actions in content of an out of control government.


Perhaps you can't...but that is a problem you have.

I can.

Snowden apparently broke US laws...and has been charged with those alleged crimes. He should be given a fair trial.
cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 18 Oct, 2013 03:03 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
We are talking about Snowden here.


We certainly are, and that involves the president who breaks the laws of our land. What he does is illegal in the US and by international laws.

I trust Snowden much more than I trust Obama who uses drones to kill innocent people or put them into prison without any charge of a crime.

IT'S RELEVANT! It doesn't matter whether you agree or not.
Frank Apisa
 
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Fri 18 Oct, 2013 03:06 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Quote:
We are talking about Snowden here.


We certainly are, and that involves the president who breaks the laws of our land. What he does is illegal in the US and by international laws.

I trust Snowden much more than I trust Obama who uses drones to kill innocent people or put them into prison without any charge of a crime.

IT'S RELEVANT! It doesn't matter whether you agree or not.


Thank you for sharing that opinion.

I, on the other hand, trust Barack Obama a hell of a lot more than Snowden.

I suspect an overwhelming majority of Americans do also.

And it doesn't matter if you agree with us or not, ci.
Olivier5
 
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Fri 18 Oct, 2013 03:16 pm
@spendius,
What was that about, Spendy?
hawkeye10
 
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Fri 18 Oct, 2013 03:17 pm
@Frank Apisa,
an August Rasussen poll has 11% trusting that The Professor will keep his word on reforming the NSA.....you might want to reevaluate your position on who America trusts.
cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 18 Oct, 2013 03:20 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Many also believe that the majority do not trust our government.

From Politico.com.
Quote:
By JAMES ARKIN | 9/13/13 1:28 PM EDT Updated: 9/13/13 2:08 PM
The public’s trust is even lower when it comes to domestic issues. Just 42 percent of Americans answered with a great deal or fair amount of confidence in the government to handle issues at home, one point below the previous low from 2011.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/government-trust-poll-96773.html#ixzz2i6uRnDK5


Quote:
ziggys30 (signed in using AOL)
Time to win back trust? Well nothing in the article indicates reigning in NSA or IRS. No Barry, Americans will not trust you. Only your legion of lemmings.
Reply · 1 · Like · Follow Post · October 16 at 6:29pm


I think this opinion is right in the ballpark.

From Infowars.com.
Quote:
Poll: Only 11% Trust Obama On NSA Reform Promises
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White House appoints Intelligence Director who lied under oath about NSA to investigate his own spying program

Steve Watson
Infowars.com
August 13, 2013
A newly released opinion poll reveals that only 11% of Americans believe that the president will act upon a promise last week to scale back and provide more transparency on the surveillance programs operated by the NSA.
The survey by Rasmussen found that the vast majority of Americans simply do not believe a word Obama says when it comes to domestic spying. Out of 1000 respondents, only 11% said they believed that the president’s pledges would make it less likely that the NSA will monitor Americans’ communications.
Indeed, 30% of respondents noted that they believe it is now MORE likely that the spy agency will monitor their phone calls and emails.
Most respondents, 49%, said that they believed nothing will change, despite the President’s promises.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Fri 18 Oct, 2013 03:20 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

an August Rasussen poll has 11% trusting that The Professor will keep his word on reforming the NSA.....you might want to reevaluate your position on who America trusts.


The last poll I saw regarding who is trusted more Obama or Snowden...shows Obama way ahead (which was the issue I was dealing with in the post to which you are responding).

I think Obama is doing the best job possible in this political climate...but I don't expect him to significantly reform the NSA operations...and if I could advise him, I would suggest that he keep any reform to an absolute minimum.

We need the intelligence.

cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 18 Oct, 2013 03:22 pm
@Frank Apisa,
"Best job possible" isn't good enough when he approves of drones that kills innocent people, and allows US citizens to be put into prison without any charge or defense.

That you trust him is 'your' problem. Many of us do not.
spendius
 
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Fri 18 Oct, 2013 03:24 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Obarmy is the most devious president I have ever seen. He knows how to milk udders so that only 51% of the milk gets into his bucket.

Did the votes to close Gitmo in 100 days tip the scales in 2008?
Frank Apisa
 
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Fri 18 Oct, 2013 03:27 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

"Best job possible" isn't good enough when he approves of drones that kills innocent people, and allows US citizens to be put into prison without any charge or defense.


Best job possible" is good enough in every case.

Some people are never going to approve of the drones...or the fact that innocent people get killed during action. Some people are going to demand that our Constitution is essentially a suicide pact.

Fine. That is their right.

I am on the other side of that coin.

Quote:
That you trust him is 'your' problem.


I do not see it as a problem...but I understand that you do, ci.

Quote:
Many of us do not.


I think that has already been established.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Fri 18 Oct, 2013 03:28 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Obarmy is the most devious president I have ever seen. He knows how to milk udders so that only 51% of the milk gets into his bucket.

Did the votes to close Gitmo in 100 days tip the scales in 2008?


What television series are you touting here, Spendius?
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spendius
 
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Fri 18 Oct, 2013 03:29 pm
@Olivier5,
It struck me that this PRISM thing having vastly expanded on his watch that it might have contributed to the fed-upness on top of the latest last minute, "we all get seen on the news" stunt.
hawkeye10
 
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Fri 18 Oct, 2013 03:35 pm
@Frank Apisa,
I was reading an analysis the other day that has it that NSA's #1 problem is that 99.9999999999999999999999999% of what it collects is crap so it cant find the good stuff. the #2 problem is that collecting all this crap is costly in treasure and good will towards the government.

I Am listening.
BillRM
 
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Fri 18 Oct, 2013 03:38 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
He should be given a fair trial.


He should be given a medal and a lot of the people in our government who are daily breaking the constitution should be given trials.
cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 18 Oct, 2013 03:45 pm
@BillRM,
I know that Frank is confused as to who the law breaker is.
What US laws did Snowden break for him to even stand trial?
Kangaroo court? He revealed that the US government broke the laws.
There are laws based on our Constitution that Obama broke the law.

BillRM
 
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Fri 18 Oct, 2013 03:46 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
We need the intelligence.


We do not need the email address books and friend lists of most of the world citizens to a tune of such lists being stolen on average half a millions a day.

The results of all this unneeded spying is that the US government is being locked out the control of the internet that we up to this point had been trusted with just to start with.

Then any American company is going to have a hard time selling any digit storage systems and so on.


 

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