Snowdon is a dummy

It would be more rational if you could address all issues raised including the wrongdoings of the US government. Narrowly focusing on Snowden's alleged crimes is irrational.

The government has not charged the government with any crimes.

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The government has not charged the government with any crimes.

Really? Do you understand the term "conflict of interest?"

Yes...there undoubtedly are excesses...and there undoubtedly are people who abuse what is going on. But my personal sense is that the kinds of threats now in play require that the people elected to govern make some tough decisions that WILL tread on privileges and rights we once thought inviolate.

Clearly there are plenty of troubling questions surrounding the Obama Administration’s targeted-killing program. But, that said, are Obama’s drones comparable in terms of human-rights violations, to Bush’s Torture program?
Those who argue so miss an important distinction, one that David Cole also has brought up: torture under all our systems of law—including the laws of war—is illegal. This is true without exception, regardless of the circumstances, including national-security emergencies. Torture is also condemned by every major religion. Waterboarding was, and is, a form of torture. This has been established as far back as the Spanish Inquisition, and as recently as the Vietnam War. To argue otherwise is to legalize criminality. That was what the Bush Administration’s torture memos did. …

Obama, in contrast, has tried to bring his counterterrorism program inside the law by reasserting the criminality of torture and by trying to define which drone strikes are legal. The Obama Administration’s lawyers’ attempt to define those boundaries in their white paper isn’t prima facie scandalous, because the Constitution authorizes lethal combat, unlike torture.

.and the poll I linked to shows that a majority of Americans agree with my way of thinking.

As soon as you show an inclination to speak respectfully to me.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/10/12/surveillance-drives-international-internet-group-to-take-control-from-u-s/

Surveillance drives international Internet group to take control from U.S.

By George Chidi
Saturday, October 12, 2013 22:20 EDT
Internet domains via Shutterstock / Oleksiy Mark

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The United States nominally controls the Internet, through the sponsorship of the Department of Commerce of ICANN, the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, an international standards-setting body.

Well, ICANN is about through with them.

Earlier this week, leaders of organizations responsible for coordination of the global Internet technical infrastructure met in Montevideo, Uruguay and decided to hasten their planned withdrawal from the Commerce Department’s nominal oversight. In a statement, the group “expressed strong concern over the undermining of the trust and confidence of Internet users globally due to recent revelations of pervasive monitoring and surveillance.”

ICANNs members called for accelerating the globalization of its functions “towards an environment in which all stakeholders, including all governments, participate on an equal footing.”

Among its other duties, ICANN sets standards for how Internet traffic flows through international networks, how top-level domains like “.com” and “.org” work and how servers translate numerical designations for IP addresses into recognizable URLs like Google.com or RawStory.com. ICANN is ultimately responsible for keeping the international Internet from fracturing into smaller networks that cannot be reached outside each network.


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Yes...there undoubtedly are excesses...and there undoubtedly are people who abuse what is going on. But my personal sense is that the kinds of threats now in play require that the people elected to govern make some tough decisions that WILL tread on privileges and rights we once thought inviolate.

I totally disagree! Both GW Bush and Obama authorizes putting US citizens into prison without being charged without a crime. GW Bush authorized torture of prisoners (waterboarding). They are both WRONG; the both of them represents the country as tyrants, not democratic leaders.

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Clearly there are plenty of troubling questions surrounding the Obama Administration’s targeted-killing program. But, that said, are Obama’s drones comparable in terms of human-rights violations, to Bush’s Torture program?
Those who argue so miss an important distinction, one that David Cole also has brought up: torture under all our systems of law—including the laws of war—is illegal. This is true without exception, regardless of the circumstances, including national-security emergencies. Torture is also condemned by every major religion. Waterboarding was, and is, a form of torture. This has been established as far back as the Spanish Inquisition, and as recently as the Vietnam War. To argue otherwise is to legalize criminality. That was what the Bush Administration’s torture memos did. …

Obama, in contrast, has tried to bring his counterterrorism program inside the law by reasserting the criminality of torture and by trying to define which drone strikes are legal. The Obama Administration’s lawyers’ attempt to define those boundaries in their white paper isn’t prima facie scandalous, because the Constitution authorizes lethal combat, unlike torture.

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As soon as you show an inclination to speak respectfully to me.

How can anybody respect you after the lies, distortions and evasions you have seen fit to besmirch the pages of A2K with. I don't respect you one iota.

You are not only completely stupid but like nothing better than to wallow in it.

I know you won't answer certain relevant questions. I only ask you them to give you the chance to demonstrate that your claim to answer questions is bogus.

Perhaps you seek to have the spooks in PRISM place your file in the "FRIENDLY" section. Buttering them up so to speak.

.and I chalk up the hero worship to people who get off on savaging "government."

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.and I chalk up the hero worship to people who get off on savaging "government."

The goverment is a strict interpretaion of the Constitution and not a bunch of devious, power mad jackshits who happen to temporarily be in office through no fault of their own.

All Snowden's supporters, inc. the ACLU, have stressed his loyalty to the Constitution and his distress at seeing it be discredited for personal gain. And the idea that it is to protect you lot is strictly for the birds. Not a one of them would protect you in return for the minimum wage.

Why do you think it is that your English Pubs are, for the most part, so much better and more fun than American taverns or bars?

They protect you, sometimes, because it is the best PR spin known to mankind.

Those who argue so miss an important distinction, one that David Cole also has brought up: torture under all our systems of law—including the laws of war—is illegal.

The Bush administration detained and tortured suspected militants; the Obama administration assassinates them. Both practices not only visit more hatred upon the United States; they are also illegal. Our laws and treaties prohibit torture. The Constitution forbids the government from depriving any person of life without due process of law; that is, arrest and fair trial. Yet President Obama has approved the killing of people, many of whom were not even identified before the kill order was given.

You seem to have missed this very important point about Obama.

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Those who argue so miss an important distinction, one that David Cole also has brought up: torture under all our systems of law—including the laws of war—is illegal.

From the Huff Post.

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The Bush administration detained and tortured suspected militants; the Obama administration assassinates them. Both practices not only visit more hatred upon the United States; they are also illegal. Our laws and treaties prohibit torture. The Constitution forbids the government from depriving any person of life without due process of law; that is, arrest and fair trial. Yet President Obama has approved the killing of people, many of whom were not even identified before the kill order was given.

LOL... Keep wanking.

"The American people are completely fed up with Washington," Obama said during remarks at the White House.

Keep insulting for no reason other than I disagree with you.