Snowdon is a dummy

@Frank Apisa,

I was thinking in terms of the fair trial Jesus got. (In the story if you like.)

I trust your fellow Americans are appalled at your conduct.

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@Frank Apisa,

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If the government wants to indict Obama and Bush...let 'em do it.

Oh I thought you agreed with me, when I stated that they should be brought to justice... Another lie of yours?

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@Frank Apisa,

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No dishonesty there.

Yes there is dishonesty here. You don't care about the US judiciary's capacity to deliver a fair trial to Snowden, or you would argue the issue. The fact that you avoid the issue is clear indication that you couldn't care less about fairness. What you want is vengeance, 'cause you're scared and angry about poor dude Snowden. And I bet Thomas knows that too.

If you don't want to be called a liar, don't lie.

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@Frank Apisa,

You miss the whole point of this discussion. You say Snowden will get a fair trial in a country where our leaders break the laws (Constitution), and you want a citizen (like me) to bring up charges against them? GET REAL!

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

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If the government wants to indict Obama and Bush...let 'em do it.

Oh I thought you agreed with me, when I stated that they should be brought to justice... Another lie of yours?

I am no lying to you.

Actually quote whatever it is you think I said...so I can understand where you are going with all this.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

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No dishonesty there.

Yes there is dishonesty here. You don't care about the US judiciary's capacity to deliver a fair trial to Snowden, or you would argue the issue. The fact that you avoid the issue is clear indication that you couldn't care less about fairness. What you want is vengeance, 'cause you're scared and angry about poor dude Snowden. And I bet Thomas knows that too.

If you don't want to be called a liar, don't lie.

Olivier...I am lying. Apparently you get off calling me a liar...so not much I can do about that except call your attention to the fact that I am not lying.

I am not interested in vengeance.

It appears Snowden broke several laws...important laws. Charges have been filed against him.

I would like to see him get a fair trial.

I suspect you would not like him to get a fair trial.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

You miss the whole point of this discussion. You say Snowden will get a fair trial in a country where our leaders break the laws (Constitution), and you want a citizen (like me) to bring up charges against them? GET REAL!

I am saying that the government has filed charges against Snowden, ci. I want him to get a fair trial.

I suspect you also do not want him to get a fair trial...because you think that the evidence that he did indeed break the law...seem clear enough that a guilty verdict might result.

You do not want him to be found guilty...you want him to get a medal.

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A USA TODAY/PEW RESEARCH POLL conducted earlier this year indicates that a majority of Americans agree with me on this.

By 54%-38%, those surveyed say he should be prosecuted. Most Americans say the programs have helped prevent terrorist attacks, by 53%-41%, a point pressed by top administration officials including Director of National Intelligence James Clapper.

There is an almost even split on the most fundamental question. By 48%-47%, Americans divide over whether they approve or disapprove of the programs as part of the effort to fight terrorism. By another narrow margin, 49%-44%, they say the release of classified information serves rather than harms the public interest.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/06/17/americans-say-snowden-should-be-prosecuted-for-nsa-leaks-in-usa-today-poll/2430583/

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@Frank Apisa,

That was in June before they admitted that it hadn't prevented any attacks.

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@JPB,

JPB wrote:

That was in June before they admitted that it hadn't prevented any attacks.

Ummm...did "they" actually say the work has not prevented any attacks?

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@Frank Apisa,

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In a 2 October hearing of the Senate judiciary committee, Senator Leahy challenged the NSA chief, General Keith Alexander:

Would you agree that the 54 cases that keep getting cited by the administration were not all plots, and that of the 54 only 13 had some nexus to the US? Would you agree with that, yes or no?

Alexander responded:

Yes.

Leahy then demanded that Alexander confirm what his deputy, Christopher Inglis, had said in the prior week's testimony: that there is only one example where collection of bulk data is what stopped a terrorist activity. Alexander responded that Inglis might have said two, not one.

In fact, what Inglis had said the week before was that there was one case "that comes close to a but-for example and that's the case of Basaaly Moalin".Guardian

One example that comes close to a but--- so, none

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@Frank Apisa,

You can keep lying as much as you want to. Just don't expect to be taken seriously.

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@JPB,

JPB wrote:

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In a 2 October hearing of the Senate judiciary committee, Senator Leahy challenged the NSA chief, General Keith Alexander:

Would you agree that the 54 cases that keep getting cited by the administration were not all plots, and that of the 54 only 13 had some nexus to the US? Would you agree with that, yes or no?

Alexander responded:

Yes.

Leahy then demanded that Alexander confirm what his deputy, Christopher Inglis, had said in the prior week's testimony: that there is only one example where collection of bulk data is what stopped a terrorist activity. Alexander responded that Inglis might have said two, not one.

In fact, what Inglis had said the week before was that there was one case "that comes close to a but-for example and that's the case of Basaaly Moalin".Guardian

One example that comes close to a but--- so, none

Okay, JPB...what that says is that of the 54 cases cited...none were examples of plots stopped by this spying.

That DOES NOT SAY that no plots were stopped as a result of the spying.

Spy agencies are not going to divulge to the general public successes or failures of identified methods of obtaining information. It would be suicide.

You may want to suppose that because of that testimony...NO ATTACKS WERE THWARTED BECAUSE OF THE SPYING...but that may not be the case at all.

Many may have been stopped...but the agencies are not willing to disclose them for a variety of reasons...top most among them being that they might jeopardize assets as a result.

They may well be willing to take the heat and look like liars...but keep operations intact.

I think there are people working diligently to protect our country and its citizens (and other citizens of the world)...who are catching all sorts of grief because of things like the Snowden revelations.

Think what you will. I think you are doing a serious disservice to men and women who place themselves in great danger to protect our butts.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

You can keep lying as much as you want to. Just don't expect to be taken seriously.

I am not a liar. But you have the anonymity of the Internet to allow you to continue to call me a liar.

Get off on it...if that is your thing.

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@JPB,

Of the 54 alleged plots, only one or two were identified as a result of bulk phone record collection, according to Alexander’s most recent comments. That number has since been whittled down to just one incident that wasn’t a terrorist plot at all but was a case of a cab driver sending cash to an alleged terrorist organization.
The NSA spying on Americans has not stopped any terrorist plots, let alone dozens or 54.Source: WashPost blog

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@Frank Apisa,

Your insistence of a "fair trial" is an oxymoron. You just can't see it or admit to it.

Your trust of our government can't be based on what we know and understand about them.

http://www.examiner.com/article/dr-martin-luther-king-assassinated-by-us-govt-king-family-civil-trial-verdict

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@izzythepush,

Hey, I always read what he says.
But, I'm fairly irritatable myself.

er, that was to a post pages ago

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Of the 54 alleged plots, only one or two were identified as a result of bulk phone record collection, according to Alexander’s most recent comments. That number has since been whittled down to just one incident that wasn’t a terrorist plot at all but was a case of a cab driver sending cash to an alleged terrorist organization.
The NSA spying on Americans has not stopped any terrorist plots, let alone dozens or 54.Source: WashPost blog

We do not know that, ci. The intelligence community may simply not want to compound the damage done by the Snowden revelations.

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@Frank Apisa,

Huh?

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Your insistence of a "fair trial" is an oxymoron. You just can't see it or admit to it.

It is not an oxymoron. You misuse that word often.

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Your trust of our government can't be based on what we know and understand about them.

http://www.examiner.com/article/dr-martin-luther-king-assassinated-by-us-govt-king-family-civil-trial-verdict

If you do not trust your government...you do not trust it.

I am more trusting of the government. At times I have been part of it...and I see no reason to think it as contemptible as some here consider it to be.

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