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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
Olivier5
 
  1  
Wed 16 Oct, 2013 12:58 pm
@Frank Apisa,
I have accused you of intellectual dishonesty, and it is a crime in my book.

Of what criminal activity has Shaker Aamer been accused???
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Wed 16 Oct, 2013 01:00 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

I have accused you of intellectual dishonesty, and it is a crime in my book.

Of what criminal activity has Shaker Aamer been accused???


Olivier...get control of yourself.

When you do, we can talk.

As for what criminal activity shaker Aamer has been accused...I HAVE NO IDEA.

I have said that he should EITHER be tried...OR RELEASED.

Try to keep up.
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Wed 16 Oct, 2013 01:02 pm
At least, such would be ... well, not so easy in the USA:
MPs set to investigate Guardian's involvement in Snowden leaks

Quote:
A powerful group of MPs will investigate the Guardian's publication of stories about mass surveillance based on leaks by US whistleblower Edward Snowden, as part of a wider inquiry into counter-terrorism.
[...]
A Guardian spokesman said: "The prime minister is wrong to say the Guardian destroyed computer files because we agreed our reporting was damaging. We destroyed the computers because the government said it would use the full force of the law to prevent a newspaper from publishing anything about the NSA or GCHQ.

"That is called 'prior restraint' and it is unthinkable in the US, where the New York Times and Washington Post have been widely applauded - along with the Guardian - for reporting on the Snowden files. That reporting has so far led to a Presidential review and three proposed bills before Congress."
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spendius
 
  1  
Wed 16 Oct, 2013 01:03 pm
@Frank Apisa,
What's a fair trial?
Bentinie
 
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Wed 16 Oct, 2013 01:03 pm
@Olivier5,
Quote:

I have accused you of intellectual dishonesty, and it is a crime in my book.


But this is a public forum, not a court trial and you are not a judge at least according to this site.

It is not a crime for one to say what he feels to be true in a public forum no matter how much you as an individual proclaim this to be so.
Olivier5
 
  1  
Wed 16 Oct, 2013 01:07 pm
@Frank Apisa,
I think you deserve a fair trial by a jury of your peers, Frank. You and that guy Snowden, and Shaker Aamer, and Bush Junior as well...

Olivier5
 
  1  
Wed 16 Oct, 2013 01:14 pm
@Bentinie,
Being as intellectually dishonest as Frank is here borders on criminal behaviour, in my not so humble opinion, and I am free to accuse him of this crime if i want to.
spendius
 
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Wed 16 Oct, 2013 01:14 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Olivier...get control of yourself.

When you do, we can talk.


Where have we heard that sort of thing before? It's Apisa's stock in trade stemming from the superiority of his own version of self-control.

He can't be on the wrong side in demanding a fair trial. It's such a reasonable request.

Has anybody checked his pram straps are secure in the last 5 minutes?

How did Snowden get access to such material? Was the safety of the western world balancing upon how he reacted to having information of that nature?

How would you react?
Bentinie
 
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Wed 16 Oct, 2013 01:26 pm
@Olivier5,
Quote:
I am free to accuse him of this crime if i want to.


No where in my post did I say you were not free to accuse Frank. I accuse you of not being a judge on this site and stated emphatically this is not a court of law where trials are held.

All of us are entitled to our opinions but calling these opinions "crimes of intellectual dishonesty" remain in the eye of the beholder. What might appear "dishonesty" to you might be "honesty" to another. This bitterness with another poster who post contrary to what you would like to read reveals a rush to judgement on your side....making you judge and jury.
Olivier5
 
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Wed 16 Oct, 2013 01:36 pm
@Bentinie,
A rush to judgement... no less. Thanks for the laugh!

I have seen Frank peddle his dishonest BS again and again and again and again for months. I haven't rushed to judgement. On the contrary, I have withhold judgement for as long as humanely possible.

Saying that Snowden "deserves a fair trial" is his half-assed way of saying Snowden should be arraigned and thrown in jail for reveling the sad truth to the rest of us.

I say leave the whistleblower alone and throw in jail the real criminals instead, the Bush and Cheney and Obama and Co.
Bentinie
 
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Wed 16 Oct, 2013 01:48 pm
@Olivier5,
Quote:
"A rush to judgement... no less. Thanks for the laugh!"

I have seen Frank peddle his dishonest BS again and again and again and again for months. I haven't rushed to judgement. On the contrary, I have withhold judgement for as long as humanely possible.

Saying that Snowden "deserves a fair trial" is his half-assed way of saying Snowden should be arraigned and thrown in jail for reveling the sad truth to the rest of us.

I say leave the whistleblower alone and throw in jail the real criminals instead, the Bush and Cheney and Obama and Co.


My, are you always so petulant over a mere posting? Since you are so bad-tempered, I'll say I have your opinion, thank you.
RABEL222
 
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Wed 16 Oct, 2013 01:51 pm
Well we have gained another attack dog on this site that thinks his opinion is fact. I'll read some of his posts for awhile but suspect that after a time i will just run past them when i see his name.
Bentinie
 
  1  
Wed 16 Oct, 2013 02:01 pm
@RABEL222,
Quote:
Well we have gained another attack dog on this site that thinks his opinion is fact.


How can you refer to me as "another attack dog"? What wrong did I do, Rabel222?
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Olivier5
 
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Wed 16 Oct, 2013 02:02 pm
@Bentinie,
Bad tempered? Not at all. Don't go all judgmental on me now... :-)
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BillRM
 
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Wed 16 Oct, 2013 02:04 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
In any case...even if they should know...there are proper ways and improper ways to inform them.

If Snowden broke any laws (and it appears he did)...he should be given the opportunity for a fair trial.

Do you disagree?


Hell yes I disagree with the very idea of government officers using laws to punish anyone for revealing that they are themselves breaking their oaths to defend the constitution.
izzythepush
 
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Wed 16 Oct, 2013 02:05 pm
@Bentinie,
Bentinie wrote:
Since you are so bad-tempered,


He's not bad tempered, he's French, but it's an easy mistake to make.
BillRM
 
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Wed 16 Oct, 2013 02:09 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Quote:
deliberately sabotage the national security of the country o


Nonsense this mass spying on US citizens and others have very little to do with national security and the government is acting in a manner that is far more dangerous to our national security then anyone else.

An oath to defend the constitution against enemies apply to the NSA when it is breaking the constitution.
cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 16 Oct, 2013 02:13 pm
@BillRM,
I agree; once our government is allowed to ignore our Constitutional protections of our privacy, we don't know how far they'll go. Nobody should trust our government to a) tell us the truth, b) protect us, and c) protect the Constitution as they have sworn into office.
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Olivier5
 
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Wed 16 Oct, 2013 02:30 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
He's not bad tempered, he's French, but it's an easy mistake to make.

:-) and an opinionated one, to boot.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 16 Oct, 2013 02:55 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
We'll have to wait and watch the outcome ...
Quote:
Pierre Omidyar commits $250m to new media venture with Glenn Greenwald
Omidyar says decision to set up news organisation fuelled by 'concern about press freedoms in the US and around the world'

Pierre Omidyar, the founder of eBay, has revealed more details of the media organization he is creating with journalist Glenn Greenwald.

Greenwald announced on Tuesday that he was leaving the Guardian, where he has broken a series of stories on the National Security Agency, based on documents from whistleblower Edward Snowden.

In an interview with Jay Rosen, media critic and NYU professor of journalism, Omidyar said he was committing an initial $250m to the as-yet-unnamed venture. Omidyar told Rosen the decision was fuelled by his “rising concern about press freedoms in the United States and around the world”.

Omidyar said he hopes the project will promote “independent journalists with expertise, and a voice and a following” while using Silicon Valley knowhow to build an audience. “Companies in Silicon Valley invest a lot in understanding their users and what drives user engagement,” Omidyar said. The company will be online only and all proceeds will be reinvested in journalism.

In a blogpost, the eBay billionaire revealed that he had been exploring a purchase of the Washington Post, which was ultimately bought by Amazon founder Jeff Bezos.

“That process got me thinking about what kind of social impact could be created if a similar investment was made in something entirely new, built from the ground up. Something that I would be personally and directly involved in outside of my other efforts as a philanthropist,” wrote Omidyar.

“I developed an interest in supporting independent journalists in a way that leverages their work to the greatest extent possible, all in support of the public interest. And, I want to find ways to convert mainstream readers into engaged citizens. I think there’s more that can be done in this space, and I’m eager to explore the possibilities,” he wrote.

Omidyar said he was in the “very early stages of creating a new mass media organization. I don’t yet know how or when it will be rolled out, or what it will look like.” He said the organization would cover general news as well as investigative journalism.

“As part of my learning process, I recently reached out to Glenn Greenwald to find out what journalists like him need to do their jobs well. As it turns out, he and his colleagues Laura Poitras [video documentarian] and Jeremy Scahill [author and national security expert], were already on a path to create an online space to support independent journalists. We had a lot of overlap in terms of our ideas, and decided to join forces,” wrote Omidyar.

“I have always been of the opinion that the right kind of journalism is a critical part of our democracy,” he told Rosen.
 

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