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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
oralloy
 
  -4  
Mon 14 Oct, 2013 05:38 pm

I can't wait until Snowden gets DroneStriked.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-collects-millions-of-e-mail-address-books-globally/2013/10/14/8e58b5be-34f9-11e3-80c6-7e6dd8d22d8f_story.html

Evil or Very Mad
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Mon 14 Oct, 2013 05:42 pm
@oralloy,
That will surely not be ignored by the Russian government. Twisted Evil
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Walter Hinteler
 
  4  
Tue 15 Oct, 2013 12:37 pm
@oralloy,
During a single day last year, the NSA’s Special Source Operations branch collected 444,743 email address books from Yahoo, 105,068 from Hotmail, 82,857 from Facebook, 33,697 from Gmail and 22,881 from unspecified other providers, according to an internal NSA PowerPoint presentation.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Tue 15 Oct, 2013 02:17 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
During a single day last year, the NSA’s Special Source Operations branch collected 444,743 email address books from Yahoo, 105,068 from Hotmail, 82,857 from Facebook, 33,697 from Gmail and 22,881 from unspecified other providers, according to an internal NSA PowerPoint presentation.

I've had quite enough with this Snowden freak compromising our national security, and I will be quite happy when my government finally manages to kill him.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Tue 15 Oct, 2013 02:18 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
The cost/benefit analysis seems very lopsided towards "waste."
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Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Tue 15 Oct, 2013 02:27 pm
@oralloy,
There more to come, dearest: at the Global Investigative Journalism Conference currently taking place in Rio de Janeiro, Guardian journalist Glenn Greenwald said: When it comes to the "shock" inspired by the recent National Security Agency revelations, the worst is yet to come.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Tue 15 Oct, 2013 04:52 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
There more to come, dearest: at the Global Investigative Journalism Conference currently taking place in Rio de Janeiro, Guardian journalist Glenn Greenwald said: When it comes to the "shock" inspired by the recent National Security Agency revelations, the worst is yet to come.

The best way to DroneStrike a traitor is with a thermobaric warhead. The extremely high temperatures inside the fireball guarantee full-body third degree burns.

Nice and crispy.

(Thermobaric explosives are essentially rocket fuel with a small charge to ignite the fuel and send it spraying outward.)
spendius
 
  2  
Tue 15 Oct, 2013 05:06 pm
@oralloy,
Defending the spooks again oralloy? And you being BIG on freedom too.

There is some disconnect somewhere.
oralloy
 
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Tue 15 Oct, 2013 05:13 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
There is some disconnect somewhere.

Yes. I don't think the government violates my freedom by having supercomputers comb the internet looking for people who are trying to brutally murder me.

And I view "exposing these programs" as aiding the people who are trying to brutally murder me.
cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 15 Oct, 2013 05:21 pm
@oralloy,
Your fear is only superseded by your ignorance.
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JTT
 
  0  
Tue 15 Oct, 2013 08:44 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Edward Snowden & Glenn Greenwald, two of the greatest patriots the US has ever seen, two of its grandest heroes and one is forced to live abroad, the other chooses to.

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Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 16 Oct, 2013 02:29 am
Glenn Greenwald announced he would be leaving the paper on Tuesday evening to pursue 'a momentous new venture'
Quote:
In a statement posted on his blog, Mr Greenwald said: “My partnership with The Guardian has been extremely fruitful and fulfilling: I have high regard for the editors and journalists with whom I worked and am incredibly proud of what we achieved.

“The decision to leave was not an easy one, but I was presented with a once-in-a-career dream journalistic opportunity that no journalist could possibly decline.”
Source
spendius
 
  3  
Wed 16 Oct, 2013 04:34 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
And I view "exposing these programs" as aiding the people who are trying to brutally murder me.


There is nothing new in that stated objective. What is new is the technology and it being in the seemingly unsupervised hands of a bureaucracy which has a life of its own involving careers, money and status and power.

No one disagrees with what you say so long as the various programs are used exclusively for the purpose you mention.

But are they? Will they be in the future? Is a bureaucracy capable of resisting the temptations offered by its trawl of the communications of ordinary citizens and who are supporting its existence?

Those who are seeking to brutally murder you have been aware of the potential for their communications to be intercepted for a long time. Snowden has not taught them one single thing. It is the public he has alerted.

Investigations here into "phone hacking" have revealed a nest of vipers. The IRS has been found to be targeting people because of their political stance.
BillRM
 
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Wed 16 Oct, 2013 05:35 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
Yes. I don't think the government violates my freedom by having supercomputers comb the internet looking for people who are trying to brutally murder me.

And I view "exposing these programs" as aiding the people who are trying to brutally murder me.


Nonsense these programs go far beyond any need to be looking for a few terrorists and are design to do massive spying on most of the world population including US citizens.

It 1984 with super computers or Hoover with his blackmail files on super steroids.

The man should get medals for explosing this danger to all our rights to privacy a right that is every bet as important as the right to own firearms if not more so.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Wed 16 Oct, 2013 08:28 am
Well, someone really hit his nerve
Quote:

Snowden leaks: David Cameron urges committee to investigate Guardian


David Cameron has encouraged a Commons select committee to investigate whether the Guardian has broken the law or damaged national security by publishing secrets leaked by the National Security Agency whistleblower Edward Snowden.

He made his proposal in response to a question from former defence secretary Liam Fox, saying the Guardian had been guilty of double standards for exposing the scandal of phone hacking by newspapers and yet had gone on to publish secrets from the NSA taken by Snowden.

Speaking at prime minister's questions on Wednesday, Cameron said: "The plain fact is that what has happened has damaged national security and in many ways the Guardian themselves admitted that when they agreed, when asked politely by my national security adviser and cabinet secretary to destroy the files they had, they went ahead and destroyed those files.

"So they know that what they're dealing with is dangerous for national security. I think it's up to select committees in this house if they want to examine this issue and make further recommendations."

The prime minister's spokesman refused to elaborate on what Cameron meant by the issue of the Guardian disclosures being examined by a select committee.

There are as many as four committees that might take up David Cameron's suggestion, including the culture select committee, the home affairs select committee, the defence select committee and the intelligence and security select committee.
[...]
Cameron did not follow calls by the backbench Tory MP Julian Smith for the police to prosecute.
... ... ...
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Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 16 Oct, 2013 08:29 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Yes. I don't think the government violates my freedom by having supercomputers comb the internet looking for people who are trying to brutally murder me.

And I view "exposing these programs" as aiding the people who are trying to brutally murder me.


Nonsense these programs go far beyond any need to be looking for a few terrorists and are design to do massive spying on most of the world population including US citizens.

It 1984 with super computers or Hoover with his blackmail files on super steroids.

The man should get medals for explosing this danger to all our rights to privacy a right that is every bet as important as the right to own firearms if not more so.


The man should get a fair trial on charges that he broke the law.

I did not elect Snowden to decide what should be exposed or not exposed. I don't know of anyone else who elected him.

He deserves a fair trial...and I hope he gets one soon.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 16 Oct, 2013 08:34 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
He deserves a fair trial...and I hope he gets one soon.
I have missed that: he is accused of exactly what by the prosecution where?

And, on the other side, why is it legal that US authorities use data from stolen CDs containing confidential banking data? And then charge foreign nationals only dueto knowledge from these stolen CDs in the United States with helping tax cheats?
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Wed 16 Oct, 2013 08:40 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
He deserves a fair trial...and I hope he gets one soon.
I have missed that: he is accused of exactly what by the prosecution where?

And why is it legal that US authorities use data from stolen CDs containing confidential banking data? And then charge foreign nationals in the United States with helping tax cheats?


He is accused of stealing state secrets...and of violating his oath. I imagine when they finally get him in custody you will see a more formal indication of charges.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 16 Oct, 2013 08:43 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
He is accused of stealing state secrets...and of violating his oath. I imagine when they finally get him in custody you will see a more formal indication of charges.
I've looked it up - and you are wrong: Snowden is accused by the United States Justice Department of violating the Espionage Act of 1917.
Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 16 Oct, 2013 08:44 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
He is accused of stealing state secrets...and of violating his oath. I imagine when they finally get him in custody you will see a more formal indication of charges.
I've looked it up - and you are wrong: Snowden is accused by the United States Justice Department of violating the Espionage Act of 1917.


http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/world/us-vs-edward-j-snowden-criminal-complaint/496/
 

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