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Snowdon is a dummy

 
 
RABEL222
 
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Sat 12 Oct, 2013 01:06 pm
@JPB,
So for your "peace of mind" you think that the government should give up the people and the organizations who might have given information that might prevented attacks on us? Wouldent this help the people who want to kill all the U S of A citizens? I think some of the people I used to think were logical have caught the paranoia of the tea party.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sat 12 Oct, 2013 01:07 pm
@JPB,
We as citizens are helpless if they put us into prison without any charge of any crime. They have that kind of power - that Obama approves of.
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hawkeye10
 
  1  
Sat 12 Oct, 2013 01:11 pm
@RABEL222,
Quote:
I think some of the people I used to think were logical have caught the paranoia of the tea party.
not wanting to be under the thumb of an organization that has been proven to be untrustworthy/ incompetent/abusive IS the logical response. It is also the one that will if all goes well prevent great harm coming to us down the road.
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JPB
 
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Sat 12 Oct, 2013 01:15 pm
@RABEL222,
What do you mean by "give up the people...?" They haven't caught anyone by these methods. NO ONE! It's been called a tool that aids in following the traffic and intent of those who want to do us harm. There was a non-specific non-answer when asked to specify what, if any, potential plots that were prevented by this tool that wouldn't otherwise being tracked/followed by other "legal" tools.

It's not for my "peace of mind". It's for my constitutionally granted right to privacy from my government. The Bill of Rights was precisely written to provide citizens freedom of abuses by its own government. This program is in direct violation of the 4th Amendment. It has nothing to do with "peace of mind". It has everything to do with what it means to be an American.
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JPB
 
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Sat 12 Oct, 2013 01:16 pm
@RABEL222,
There is no paranoia here, Reb. This is a purely libertarian position that has nothing to do with any political party.

Bush's "they hate our freedoms" line was quickly followed by interpreting laws that budged against those freedoms into usurping them completely.
InfraBlue
 
  1  
Sat 12 Oct, 2013 01:23 pm
@JPB,
JPB wrote:
Bush's "they hate our freedoms" line was quickly followed by interpreting laws that budged against those freedoms into usurping them completely.

Irony of ironies.

This is something along the lines of "to be free we have to be less free," which isn't too far from the Orwellian slogan "freedom is slavery."
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JTT
 
  0  
Sat 12 Oct, 2013 01:30 pm
@RABEL222,
Quote:
Wouldent this help the people who want to kill all the U S of A citizens? I think some of the people I used to think were logical have caught the paranoia of the tea party.


Speaking of paranoid nut cases, Rabel.
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RABEL222
 
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Sat 12 Oct, 2013 02:04 pm
@JPB,
The hell there isent. Paranoids on this site are rampant. They want to defend their right to privacy, constitutional right, with their guns, constitutional right, and destroy our government, constitutional right, so we can have a government like Somolia, and pakastan. But the tea partiers are all right with this because they have their guns, temporary constitutional right, till the paranoids gain complete control and take the right to own one from everyone but the paranoids.
BillRM
 
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Sat 12 Oct, 2013 02:08 pm
@RABEL222,
Quote:
Paranoids on this site are rampant.


Sadly the "Paranoids" are right as we now have a government that view it own citizens as a whole as a security risk to the current government rulers that need to be massively spy on and the hell with the bill of rights.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 12 Oct, 2013 02:14 pm
@JPB,
People forget that Bush authorized torture of prisoners - waterboarding. Both Bush and Obama believes in detaining American citizens without charge. How far they will go is anybody's guess.
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JPB
 
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Sat 12 Oct, 2013 02:22 pm
@RABEL222,
My "here" was meant to infer within my posts, not within A2K. I don't read a lot of the threads so I honestly don't have an opinion on that. I assumed that since you were responding to my post that you took my taking exception to every American being named adversaries of our gov't in official documentation in an official program of the US gov't as paranoid. I'm outraged by it, but wouldn't be here ranting about it if I was paranoid.
JTT
 
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Sat 12 Oct, 2013 08:36 pm
@RABEL222,
Quote:
Paranoids on this site are rampant.


Wouldent this help the people who want to kill all the U S of A citizens?

Yup, Rabel, paranoids on this site are rampant.
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Moment-in-Time
 
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Sat 12 Oct, 2013 09:00 pm
@RABEL222,
Quote:
But the tea partiers are all right with this because they have their guns, temporary constitutional right, till the paranoids gain complete control and take the right to own one from everyone but the paranoids.



"The wacko tea party has done the impossible. They have made Americans look back at the Bush II era, the most reckless wrecking ball in American history, with relative nostalgia."
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 12 Oct, 2013 09:22 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Those 'wackos' always existed; they just came out of the woodworks, because they now believe they have the power to destroy this country with their extremism.

When a dummy like Ted Cruz can lead their party, we know America is in big trouble.

From PolitiFact:
Quote:
Ted Cruz's file:
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Ted Cruz's website

Our Ted Cruz feeds
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Cruz's statements by ruling
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Republican from Texas
Ted Cruz, elected to the U.S. Senate in November 2012, is the former solicitor general for the state of Texas, previously serving as the director of the Office of Policy Planning at the Federal Trade Commission, an Associate Deputy Attorney General at the U.S. Department of Justice, and as a domestic policy advisor on the 2000 Bush-Cheney campaign, according to his campaign biography.

Recent statements involving Ted Cruz
Ted Cruz
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"Every month, we get the reports from the Bureau of Labor Statistics that say even more people have given up looking for work."

FACT: Mostly False


Ted Cruz
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"A strong bipartisan majority" in the House of Representatives "voted to defund Obamacare."

FACT: False. Two Democratic votes out of 190 isn't bipartisan

Ted Cruz
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UPS left 15,000 employees’ spouses "without health insurance" and told them to, "go on an exchange with no employer subsidy."

FACT: False. Spouses only kicked off plan if they can get coverage in their own jobs.

Ted Cruz
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"According to a recent Congressional Budget Office report, under Obamacare, 7 million people will lose their employer-sponsored insurance."

FACT: Mostly False. Multi-tiered forecast

And on and on we go.....the guys a creepy liar, and conservatives believe him!



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RABEL222
 
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Sat 12 Oct, 2013 10:05 pm
@JPB,
Paranoia is equivalent to fear and all I have been hearing on this site from all sides is how afraid everyone is of this or that. Just what the tea party has been preaching. If the shoe fits.
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 12 Oct, 2013 11:02 pm
@RABEL222,
Fear and sex works, and most times they know how to use it.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 13 Oct, 2013 02:59 pm
I really wonder, if Frank supports such as well:
Quote:
New York Times says UK tried to get it to hand over Snowden documents
Jill Abramson says she was approached by UK embassy officials after announcing collaboration with Guardian over NSA files

The editor of the New York Times, Jill Abramson, has confirmed that senior British officials attempted to persuade her to hand over secret documents leaked by the former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden.

Giving the newspaper's first official comments on the incident, Abramson said that she was approached by the UK embassy in Washington after it was announced that the New York Times was collaborating with the Guardian to explore some of the files disclosed by Snowden. Among the files are several relating to the activities of GCHQ, the agency responsible for signals interception in the UK.

"They were hopeful that we would relinquish any material that we might be reporting on, relating to Edward Snowden. Needless to say I considered what they told me, and said no," Abramson told the Guardian in an interview to mark the International Herald Tribune's relaunch as the International New York Times.

The incident shows the lengths to which the UK government has gone to try to discourage press coverage of the Snowden leaks. In July, the government threatened to take legal action against the Guardian that could have prevented publication, culminating in the destruction of computer hard drives containing some of Snowden's files.

... ... ...


Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 13 Oct, 2013 03:07 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

I really wonder, if Frank supports such as well:
Quote:
New York Times says UK tried to get it to hand over Snowden documents
Jill Abramson says she was approached by UK embassy officials after announcing collaboration with Guardian over NSA files

The editor of the New York Times, Jill Abramson, has confirmed that senior British officials attempted to persuade her to hand over secret documents leaked by the former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden.

Giving the newspaper's first official comments on the incident, Abramson said that she was approached by the UK embassy in Washington after it was announced that the New York Times was collaborating with the Guardian to explore some of the files disclosed by Snowden. Among the files are several relating to the activities of GCHQ, the agency responsible for signals interception in the UK.

"They were hopeful that we would relinquish any material that we might be reporting on, relating to Edward Snowden. Needless to say I considered what they told me, and said no," Abramson told the Guardian in an interview to mark the International Herald Tribune's relaunch as the International New York Times.

The incident shows the lengths to which the UK government has gone to try to discourage press coverage of the Snowden leaks. In July, the government threatened to take legal action against the Guardian that could have prevented publication, culminating in the destruction of computer hard drives containing some of Snowden's files.

... ... ...





Not really sure.

But Walter, I'll tell you what I definitely do support:

Snowden has been accused of breaking some serious laws in the United States. I definitely support his right to a fair trial--and I definitely support the right of the United States to bring him to trial.
cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 13 Oct, 2013 03:09 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
That's the problem when governments break the law. They can do things beyond what's legal according to their local laws. How far they will go is yet to be tested, but when GW Bush authorized waterboarding, I knew they already went beyond not only our Constitution, but ethical behavior.
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JTT
 
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Sun 13 Oct, 2013 07:29 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Snowden has been accused of breaking some serious laws in the United States. I definitely support his right to a fair trial--and I definitely support the right of the United States to bring him to trial.


How come a big rule of law guy like you, Frank, isn't posting every chance he can get to have Bush, Bush, Obama, Clinton, and any of the other war criminal/terrorist prezes/exprezes brought to trial?
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