The Bible (a discussion)

There were numerous alphabets in various places in those days neo. With different letters and different numbers of consonants and vowels. The ghosts of them, the losers, can still be heard in how people in different countries pronounce their words. Cricket commentators from India who can't say their Vees and use Wubbleyou instead. e.g. wertigo!!

There is an amusing scene in Amarcord in which a teacher of Greek is trying to get a young lad to pronounce a Classical aspirate. Don't try it if you have false teeth.

Benny Hill had some fun with Japanese pronunciation but I expect your Mom didn't let you see that. And there's "Ng"s all over Africa. In Texas they can't say the long I sound.

The "Name" has to be riddled in all of them and the solution is the special, secret knowledge of the priests, shamens and Druids who use them. It's to do with Tree Magic, numbers, finger-language and other, often quite elaborate versions, of mumbo-jumbo which can also be used for determining poshness.

Obweeusly related to charges, fees, payment in kind, subventions and sometimes downright extortion.

A scientist would claim, quite rightly, that if only that lot of scamps and wastrels know the Name, and they are not saying what it is, how do we know they are not making it up. They don't even need to have one at all.

But a scientist with all his chairs at home would soon see that he was missing the point and that the elaborate versions of mumbo-jumbo which is their true power. Let's face it neo, they could send the Oscars out by post couldn't they.

A bespectacled, short-legged nerd shown boiling up a flask of an orange coloured liquid in the Urine Testing Department in a programme about bladder problems is hardly the stuff of the oceanic feeling.

Slow motion mock ups with oceanic music is the best science can do with a presenter having a bit of an onionated freak out at a sunset.

You can get a vague idea from Graves's The White Goddess. Vague might be exaggerating. A sniff.

Close:
the causative form, the imperfect state, of the Hebrew verb ha·wah′ (become); meaning “He Causes to Become” This is certainly in keeping with his pronouncement at Isaiah 55:11The tetragrammaton appears over 6000 time in the Hebrew scriptures and almost never pronounced because of priestly superstition. It is spurious to assume that Jesus would continue the tradition, since he roundly denounced the pharisees for similar practices.

Interesting.
I have always been intrigued with the Canaanite inability to pronounce the 'sh' sound, instead pronouncing it 't'. (ref. shibboleth)
The Hebrew name for the rebel in Genesis was 'shietan', for the Canaanites, 'tietan'.
Through the ages, we have in our lexicon, the words satan and titan, both representing the same personality.
How many folks, do you think, would have booked passage on the HMS Satanic back there in 1912?
Any Tennessee Satans fans here?

My concern my friend was that you have no problem with Solomons words contradicting your interpretation of Jesus words.

If you believe one portion of the bible is contestable in its truth, then you have to accept that more of it is flawed. What is more, you would also have to accept that even the understanding of a "holy man like you" may too be flawed

Alternately both Jesus AND Solomon were right, and you should probably adjust your understanding accordingly

What were they both right about exactly?

I think he means the condition of the dead. But I would not wish to proclaim that with certainty.

But if dead means dead . . .

Perhaps I have a fresher memory of our discussions my friend, for I am involved in fewer of them across the forum. I refer as Neo kindly pointed out, to the condition of the dead

The condition of the dead? What about it?
Jesus was quite clear there's life after death, and even the JW's say so..

WIKI- "Witnesses believe that a "little flock" go to heaven, but that the hope for life after death for the majority of "other sheep" involves being resurrected by God to a cleansed earth after Armageddon"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah's_Witnesses

So in a yes or no answer, am I right that you believe that Solomon was wrong?

First, tell me which particular sayings of Solomon you want to discuss?
Please give exact chapter and verse..

How about Ecclesiastes 9 verse 5
While we are at it, toss in the Psalmists words in Psalms 146 verse 4.

We have discussed this before.

I believe we will next see Romeo's a2k sashay.

I can appreciate a man who truly attempts to understand. I've yet to come across such.

It's only like reading one scientist saying we are warming ourselves in a stew and another one saying warming is nothing to worry about because an ice-age is coming and we are going to need all the warming we can get so drive, drive, drive and spend, spend, spend. What's good for business is good for America, putting them in the same book so that all the dim wits can be easily identified when they jump up screaming "CONTRADICTION!!!"

Or the ones trying to deny that their dick-work is not disreputable.

I must admit I often fail to glean your points.

Understand precisely what anon?

How do we know what we are not understanding if we don't know what it is that we are supposed to understand? You can go round shitting on us for the rest of your life with that soft trick.

From your general style I think we will soon get up to speed on whatever it is we don't understand.

But beware. If we all get up to speed you will have nobody left to raise your tail on.

So explain if you will and I can assure you it is not so bad being like everybody else.

You have to want to understand.

I didn't understand Jesus Christ. I had my ideas, thoughts, my beliefs. But it wasn't until I wanted to understand?, learn more, glean if you will, honestly I was feeling distant from the Lord and I did not like the feeling which has led me to reading and understanding more about Jesus Christ. It is helping me beautifully at heart. I don't think I've ever understood how understanding can make you feel so beautiful at heart. It is as if it is an unconditional love. God. And Jesus Christ.

You make me feel as if I want to smile. But I did smile, smiled big to myself. Yes I am just like everyone else. No different. Maybe less attractive physically but that is due to my lifetime of severe depression, psychological situation everyone fails to understand, and a beautiful gene pool of which I was less blessed with the appearance of beauty. as far as isolation I do feel I may be the only to experience what I am enduring mentally. If one were exactly like me I believe that individual would have to be my twin. But I was not blessed with a twin from my mother's womb.

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anonymously99 wrote:
Was it your intent to come across as illogical?

I think that understanding Jesus is very difficult because we know so little about Him before He embarked on His mission to inaugurate the Kingdom of God here on earth and the conditions He experienced in those 30 years.

The Romans thought 35 to be the prime of life for a man and restricted the Consulship to those who had reached that age. I read that the US Constitution followed that age qualification for some top posts. Others think 33 but the Romans usually erred on the side of caution.

The sense of having understood something is pleasant. Although how one was begotten is a bit of a shock to some.

Hence one is tempted to think one understands something too easily because we seek pleasant feelings and pleasant feelings are a conditioning agent which leads us to be impatient with questions which might show that our understanding is incorrect. Our impatience being a function of the amount of such conditioning we have induced in ourselves by having understood something. In fact the pleasant feeling can be induced by pretending to have understood something.

One thing untold numbers of conversations in pubs taught me was that I didn't understand anything. And that nobody else did either.

But good luck.