The Bible (a discussion)

I gave it credence. I asked for clarification. Which was forthcoming. I have no evidence that Olivier invented the "viral video" idea with hindsight and would have to guess to doubt its credibility and as I don't believe in guessing I'm not about to start doing it myself.

What I had in mind was that viruses are found in almost every ecosystem on Earth and are the most abundant type of biological entity. Obviously the most successful life form in evolutionary terms as Christianity might be said to be in religious terms. And both having certain important functions.

Atheists, and their jelly-kneed fellow travelers, agnostics, are trying to find a vaccine for Christianity and they are floundering around like a bunch of washerwomen with a lion chasing them. As if perished papyrus, redactions, revisions, goat-herders and contradictory evidence have the slightest thing to do with the matter at hand.

Prof. Michael Grant says, for example, that a "carpenter" was an architect and contract builder and Jesus's family was well-to-do. Jesus as a highly literate revolutionary bourgeois memory freak I suppose he means such as Swinburne or Henry Miller. A prodigal son. Been around. Far afield. Grand Tour. Tried everything. All no good in the long run. Solution being a list of opposites. One wouldn't insist we love each other if we already did. It would be like telling a load of businessmen that they should wear trousers.

The meek will inherit the earth because when the others have got through with it meekness will be the natural order of things and anybody getting up on a podium will be torn to pieces. Not that that would deter all of the type. The inheritance won't last long and we will go round again.

It's a true masterpiece of literature is The Bible and it's a great shame that so many people are unable to read it simply because they have had it held up-side down for them.

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Christianity has long mutated (or "been mutated") into something tame and safe, which does not require a vaccine. Something that says that Herod deserves to be king, that the rich should be well fed, that the poor ought to be patient for they are not inheriting anything just now, and that the pharisees cannot do wrong as long as they wear purple robes or preach on TV...

I have no sympathy with how Jesus' message was abused, century after century, by the zillion churches, all christian denominations combined. They are all traitors, collectively. Maybe they couldn't do otherwise... Maybe the message was so radical that it couldn't work, and had to be tone down. Maybe.. And individually of course, some Christians did great things while other did odious things, sometimes in the name of Christ. Atheists did the same... sometimes in the name of atheism

When speaking of a "mental virus", I meant the original message(s) of JC, the radical one. If freed from the thousand tedious bounds of our mental and cultural space, the boredom of church, the familiarity with the episodes which brings if not contempt, at least ennui... if the gospel was given to us brand new, as it was given to the masses of the Roman Empire, it would rip us apart. It would destabilize society big time, as it did way back when.

That's also why I like reading the Gospel according to Thomas: I am not familiar with it and thus, I can still sense how revolutionary, how strongly anti-establishment the message is. It's refreshing... Plus to an atheist who is interested in the real historical Jesus, as I am, apocrypha is as good as canonical scripture. You just have to be cautious and keep the biases in mind.

I don't think that is the case. The RE was already destabilized. The centre was rotten.

That's a popular perception, but in actual history, there was little structurally wrong per se with the Roman Empire that could not have been resolved with a few reforms and letting a few heads roll.

What's the name of the British author who argued that Christianity killed the Roman Empire? Toybee? I tend to agree.

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Anyone who wants to see this in the benign, enlightened light you now want to shine on it, Olivier...is free to do so.

A reasonable, dispassionate assessment of the words you wrote has to at least consider that it was conceived as an insult.

We've seen you write here in A2K. If any of these people think you could not have worded that thought better (if that was your intention)...they are being disingenuous. And I think you are being disingenuous. I can think of several wordings that would have said the same thing...and been truer to what you say you were attempting...and I dare say so could you.

Just a blind guess, of course. Only you know for sure if you are trying to put one over on us...if you regret what you said and are trying to present it in a light that makes it seem it was not what I suggest it seems to have been.

Seems we end up this way again.

Do what you got to do, gnat.

Toynbee. Although you might mean Edward Gibbon.

I don't think it's dead.

It's Gibbon.

Rome not dead?

I have seen the E.U. considered as the continuation of the Holy Roman Empire a few times. Even the U.S. has a Capitol and a Senate. And a Hill.

Of course.

The French see the EU as a reconstruction of Charlemagne's empire. Which conveniently leaves out the Brits... :-) Charlemagne was himself trying to reconstruct the Roman empire.

What "innocents" did God kill?
They must have miffed him in some way (for example heathen idol-worshipping warmongering tribes) so they deserved getting their asses busted, God's not some soppy lefty social worker..

Did you ever hear about the world flood? Probably not, since you're a religious wanna be.

All of the folks who died in that flood had both opportunity and permission to enter the ark.

How did Noah invite people from around the world? Did he have some secret airplane? How about media announcing the flood? How many languages did Noah speak and write? LOL

There was only one language. (according to the bible) And Noah had about 100 years or so to complete the work.

How did that one language spread across oceans? How did Noah reach places like South America and Australia?

I can't speculate on what world geography was like long ago; or whether the Americas or Australia had been settled at that time.

The world 6000 years ago looks almost like it does today. Not much has changed for over 1-million years.

He is for these soppy lefty social worker types who don't believe in Him but do believe in evolution which is red in tooth and claw. Such a brazen sophistry allows them to breach taboos, pose as compassionate, enjoy the inheritance of Christianity and appreciate reality and the truth.

Neat eh?

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