If Adam and Eve were created perfect, how could they sin?

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Did the true God set a sinister trap? Or, did he just screw things up? Maybe some other explanation?

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@neologist,

It was a sting by the god of the Bible.

Two people who had no idea there was anything wrong with disobeying the god--and who were tempted by the ultimate tempter (who was put there to tempt by the god).

They did what any five year old could have told the god they would do.

And the god got in a snit about it...and punished all of humanity for all of eternity for what they did. (A bit extreme!)

It is about as good a creation myth as most of them...but it was a sting.

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@Frank Apisa,

Sinister trap, then? An offense to our sense of fairness?

But how could a God impart to us a sense of fairness if He did not possess it himself?

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@neologist,

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Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5288692)
Sinister trap, then? An offense to our sense of fairness?

But how could a God impart to us a sense of fairness if He did not possess it himself?

If you are asking about the god of the Bible...my answer is: Beats the piss outta me. I would never rely on the god of the Bible for anything...particularly with regard to morality or fairness. Some people do...and that is their right.

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@Frank Apisa,

Undestood. Yet the question still has allegorical merit for those who believe

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@neologist,

Absolutely!

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@neologist,

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If Adam and Eve were created perfect, how could they sin?

Is was that dam recessive gene...

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@Miller,

Are recessive genes imperfect? I don't get it.

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The Bible says nothing about perfect.
It says God created Adam and Eve in his image.
He forbid them to eat the fruit from the tree of knowledge. They did and got punished.
By forbidding them to do something and knowing they would probably do exactly the opposite could mean they were created with sins.

On the other hand one can take the whole story as a symbol for human behavior.

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Moses, the author of this concept of ,um,God, needed an example to spell out the penalty of displeasing Him.
Didn't need to elaborate, I guess.

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@33export,

Check outForbidden fruit in Wikipedia.

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@saab,

saab wrote:

The Bible says nothing about perfect.

On the contrary: "The Rock, perfect is his activity, For all his ways are justice.. . ." (Deuteronomy 32:4) There are other places.

saab wrote:

It says God created Adam and Eve in his image.

So, God is not perfect?

saab wrote:

He forbid them to eat the fruit from the tree of knowledge. They did and got punished.
By forbidding them to do something and knowing they would probably do exactly the opposite could mean they were created with sins.

Could mean?

saab wrote:

On the other hand one can take the whole story as a symbol for human behavior.

Or, as an explanation of why we have war and crime and sickness and death.

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@33export,

33export wrote:

Check outForbidden fruit in Wikipedia.

IMHO, it carries more weight if you make your own arguments, rather than sending others on a tour of cyberspace. Quotes with citations welcome, of course.

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@neologist,

lol Good at picking nits today, huh.
forbidden fruit provides a simpler response than a cut-and-paste citation, imo.

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@neologist,

neologist wrote:

Maybe some other explanation?

The whole story is a complete fantasy and makes no sense at all (or is that too obvious?).

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@neologist,

Hmmm...

Well - is it not possible to be perfectly made and choose evil? Adam and Eve were NOT all knowing - which is why they were able to be persuaded to eat of the fruit of good and evil. Had they been content with their lot they would have continued to enjoy the perfection of the garden and their existence. But they were not. They wanted more.

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@33export,

Then tell us what it is

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@rosborne979,

rosborne979 wrote:

neologist wrote:
Maybe some other explanation?

The whole story is a complete fantasy and makes no sense at all (or is that too obvious?).

OK. Well, treat it as an allegory then. How does that work out?

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@mismi,

mismi wrote:

Hmmm...

Well - is it not possible to be perfectly made and choose evil? Adam and Eve were NOT all knowing - which is why they were able to be persuaded to eat of the fruit of good and evil. Had they been content with their lot they would have continued to enjoy the perfection of the garden and their existence. But they were not. They wanted more.

I'd like to get into more detail. It's hard on a cell phone

But you hit the nail squarely, IMO, by suggesting that a perfect individual can choose to sin.

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@neologist,

Were Adam and Eve perfect? If they did not know all things - doesn't that leave out something?

They were made in form, perfect. They were without sin, without physical blemish, but as far as their capabilities - they were limited. But yes - they could choose.

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