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What are your pet peeves re English usage?

 
 
Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Mon 15 Aug, 2005 11:28 am
Being as how the 'Mc' is actually a patronymic, when I pretend to be Scots, my name becomes Andrew MacIan. (My father's name was John.) Und im Deutsch ich bin Andrei vonRiga.
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Clary
 
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Reply Mon 15 Aug, 2005 01:02 pm
Andrew MacEwan would be more convincing. For some reason there isn't a MacIan. I wonder why not? Are you just plain Andy Johnson in English?
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Clary
 
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Reply Mon 15 Aug, 2005 01:03 pm
Andrew MacEwan would be more convincing. For some reason there isn't a MacIan. I wonder why not? Are you just plain Andy Johnson in English?
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 15 Aug, 2005 02:03 pm
Oh yes there is.

http://www.geo.ed.ac.uk:81/scotgaz/families/familyfirst259.html
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 15 Aug, 2005 02:45 pm
Goldmund wrote:
Dear JTT,

In my youth, I travelled much in Scotland. It was a great pleasure to me to hear the authentic pronunciation of «loch». It is perhaps the only example of the sound in common English.

JTT: I appreciate the sentiment, Goldmund, it's always nice to hear a different accent, but the correct pronunciation for any dialect or language is the pronunciation that that dialect or language gives it.

When words are borrowed, the shipper never sends the pronunciation knowing that it is merely excess and wasted baggage.

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We may also note the sound at the beginning of the word «gigolo». This too is most rare in English. It is the sound in the French word «je».

There are dialects in the north of England, which have beautiful sounds. I may cite the Newcastle dialect. It is a delight to the ear. Smile

JTT: True, so true but not something that is easily transferable, as we all know from a lifetime of listening to "foreigners".

Kindest regards, Smile

JTT: And to you too, Sir.

Goldmund
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Mon 15 Aug, 2005 02:52 pm
McEwan sounds Welsh.
(No, in fact, my family name is not Johnson)

Ooh, I've got me own tartan and all. Thankee, Mr. McT.
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 15 Aug, 2005 02:59 pm
McTag wrote:
Hello JTT, how nice to see you back. Welcome.

Have you discovered Dot Wordsworth's column in The Spectator yet, BTW?


Hello, McTag and everyone else. A special nod to Setanta. Smile

No, I haven't come across any of those columns yet, Sire.

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Merry Andrew wrote:
Goldmund -- interesting that you should use the word "gigolo" as an example of unusual pronunciation. What's really interesting abut the spelling of "gigolo" is that it contains two 'g's, each of which has a quite distinctive sound. I don't necesarily disagree with JTT about the fact that the non-phonetic spelling in English is overcome quite easily by children learning to read. But it does seem to me that having the same symbol represent two quite distinctive sounds in the same word can only be confusing to anyone trying to master those symbols.


Let me try this. Think about it.

"The symbols on the page are not there to represent the sounds of language, which we don't hear, but the underlying grammar, which we do hear." [S Pinker]

No really, read it again and think about it ... deeply.
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 15 Aug, 2005 11:38 pm
Yes that's right.
Quite recently I saw a piece on the Web which demonstrated that even if words are not correctly spelled, having letters mixed up and missing and so on, it was not difficult for the average reader to discern the meaning, not difficult at all; in fact, one had to look closely in some cases to see exactly what was wrong.
And of course, during reading, the reader can associate the appropriate sound.

(Which raises something else; if, while reading, you try to imagine or say the sounds, you have to go a lot more slowly- normal reading seems not to follow each syllable in sequence)
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Clary
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2005 01:31 am
See my post called Observation on Spelling in this forum for that piece.
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McTag
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2005 05:18 am
Clary wrote:
See my post called Observation on Spelling in this forum for that piece.


Can't find it, and my finger's getting tired, clicking.

Can you post a link or include it in a "quote" Clazza please?

That reading/ spelling thing was odd. But I can't remember the detail clearly enough now.
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Clary
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2005 05:25 am
Embarrassed

Re: spelling
http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=55211&highlight=
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McTag
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2005 05:30 am
That's it! You are clever.

Thank you xx
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2005 08:10 am
There Their They're
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McTag
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2005 09:36 am
RexRed wrote:
There Their They're


What's the peeve, if peeve there be?

They all mean different things. Is your peeve that they all sound the same, although spelled differently?

That brings us onto homophones, a whole nother subject.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2005 11:01 am
McTag wrote:
RexRed wrote:
There Their They're


What's the peeve, if peeve there be?

They all mean different things. Is your peeve that they all sound the same, although spelled differently?

That brings us onto homophones, a whole nother subject.


I guess it is not really a peeve of mine but it could be. Smile
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2005 11:11 am
Homophones ? ! ? ! ?

Ain't that them guys who beat up gay dudes?
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2005 11:24 am
Setanta wrote:
Homophones ? ! ? ! ?

Ain't that them guys who beat up gay dudes?


No, that is two phones that are the same color, shape and size... Smile
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Valpower
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2005 11:42 am
Setanta wrote:
Homophones ? ! ? ! ?

Ain't that them guys who beat up gay dudes?


Only if it's Russell Crowe what's doin' the beating.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2005 11:46 am
Valpower wrote:
Setanta wrote:
Homophones ? ! ? ! ?

Ain't that them guys who beat up gay dudes?


Only if it's Russell Crowe what's doin' the beating.


Crowe does have a cell phone problem. Smile
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McTag
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2005 02:40 pm
One of our newspapers, I think it's The Observer, has a humorous "Homophones Corner" which collects howlers where unwittingly, one sound-alike has been substituted by another.

You probably want an example, and I can't think of any right now. Sad
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