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What are your pet peeves re English usage?

 
 
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 6 May, 2005 07:29 pm
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What is at issue, at least as far as i am concerned, is JTT's presentation of the argument.


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PhilAster (Starlover?), one thing this thread is definitely about is the free and open expression of one's feelings about the language we here use.


Confused Shocked Confused Confused

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... when combined with the didactic tenor of JTT's post, ...


And I can't quite thank you enough, Setanta. {deep bow}

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M-W online:
didactic
1 a : designed or intended to teach b : intended to convey instruction and information as well as pleasure and entertainment
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Perhaps others will criticize me for arrogance, and i can certainly see that to some, my response was unwarranted. Obviously, i did not agree.


That, Setanta, then led you to "a free and open expression of one's feelings", if you'll permit me to quote from our own Mr Bojangles. Smile

I encourage "I do not agree".

Which one of your "grammar toes" did I step on? I see that it hasn't impeded your dancing ability one little bit.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 6 May, 2005 07:52 pm
Your sarcasm is rather pathetic, but so long as you're entertained, that's all that matters. Enjoy yourself. You really should branch out, i'm sure there are more threads you could poison.
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neologist
 
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Reply Fri 6 May, 2005 08:59 pm
Is this thread what I thought it to be? I wanted to say some things about apostrocide and apostrobuse. Is it OK; or should I sharpen my sWORD?
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 6 May, 2005 09:08 pm
Setanta wrote:
Your sarcasm is rather pathetic, but so long as you're entertained, that's all that matters. Enjoy yourself. You really should branch out, i'm sure there are more threads you could poison.


Kuvasz, in the thread, "Why are liberals referred to as elitist?", summed up this situation, albeit about a different issue, ooooh so beautifully! I have borrowed his/her words and ideas and I am indebted to him/her for the same. I have added the appropriate word changes to match the situation for this thread.

{CITATION: http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=50847&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20

Why are liberals referred to as elitist?
Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 6:03 pm Post: 1321045}


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instead of arguing the case, the [Peevists] accuse the [Descriptivists] of [fill in the blank] so they do not have to defend their positions from objective analysis.

you see [this same thing] in kansas where the right wing is attempting to put science on trial because science and scientific method undermine the magical mysteries of their bibles.

its those [Descriptivists] in the universities who are demanding proof that the [peeves are] true. that is just not fair, and it's because those guys are [fill in the blank] who demand proof.

dont like [anybody's] analysis of the [peeves]? don't worry, you do not need a consistent counter-argument, just call him a [fill in the blank], and declare victory.

[someone] demands a better explanation for your opinion than "because [grammar] said so!" just call him a [fill in the blank] and declare victory.

[fill in the blank] is a term ignorant people cast at their adversaries when they are unable to explain why they hold a particular position under the scrutiny of objective and rational analysis.

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Funny, and telling to boot, Setanta, that you think that the truth somehow poisons. Confused
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 6 May, 2005 09:14 pm
Funny, and telling, JTT, that you consider yourself the repository of the truth.

I'll have to send Kuvasz a PM about this, i know he'll get a good laugh out of it.
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 6 May, 2005 09:19 pm
Setanta wrote:
Funny, and telling, JTT, that you consider yourself the repository of the truth.

I'll have to send Kuvasz a PM about this, i know he'll get a good laugh out of it.


Come on puuulllleeeze, Setanta! You're on about your tenth posting [but who's counting] and you haven't addressed a singular grammatical issue, the very subject of this thread!

All you've done, all you keep doing is add more "fill in the blanks". Focus, Setanta, focus, please.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 6 May, 2005 09:49 pm
What, pray tell, is a "singular grammatical issue?" Is one supposed to assume that it is a grammatical issue of a unique character? Perhaps an issue of grammar concerning one and only one rule of grammar? You aren't drunk-posting, are you? Your coherence seems to be slipping. Although i have found much of what you post silly, i had not yet seen incoherence. But these last two posts--really.
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 6 May, 2005 11:13 pm
Setanta wrote:
What, pray tell, is a "singular grammatical issue?"


Since you've asked so nicely, here's one of those grammatical issues, Setanta.

All the following was taken from the thread, "present continuous with feel and see", found at;

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=49984&highlight=


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Setanta:
As for feel and feeling, the gerund is usually used to indicate an ongoing condition. If the plumber is still attempting to correct a leak, one would say: The plumber is seeing to the leak. Once the problem were correct, one would say: The plumber saw to the leak. If the problem has not yet been addressed, on might say: We need a plumber to see to that leak.



JTT: The pertinent portions;

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1) As for feel and feeling, the gerund is usually used to indicate an ongoing condition.

The plumber is seeing to the leak.
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JTT:
'seeing' is not a gerund, Setanta and the present progressive structure is not "used to indicate an ongoing condition".

*The plumber is seeing to leaks for ten years now.*

[asterisks denote an ungrammatical structure]

I believe this type of structure works for German but it doesn't for English. Maybe German is what you had in mind.

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Setanta:
Doctors (and other medical professionals, for that matter) don't "feel" pulses. They "take them," as in: "The creep of a doctor tried to feel me up while he was taking my pulse."


Another gem from Setanta. And then when another poster had the temerity to set him straight, he comes up with the following quote;

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Setanta:
Like a dog with an old shoe, you just can't let it go, can you?



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Setanta:
Setanta is spinning out his bullshit again.


Finally, we get the truth out of you, Setanta, straight from the horse's mouth. Shall we do a few more grammatical issues, Sir?
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2005 01:34 am
neologist wrote:
Is this thread what I thought it to be? I wanted to say some things about apostrocide and apostrobuse. Is it OK; or should I sharpen my sWORD?


Fire away, neologist. You heard Setanta; this thread is for free and open discussion.
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kitchenpete
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2005 05:31 am
Neologist

I agree that you can post what you like about apostrophantasticapplication or whatsoever you choose...

but...

You may need to prepare yourself for some slings and arrows if you get caught in the Setanta-JTT crossfire. It's all become a bit personal.

I'd like to see a new point raised for general discussion, however. So fire away.

KP
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2005 05:36 am
I think it has gotten personal for JTT, Pete, i'm rather amused by it all. He is indeed like a dog with an old shoe, and not content to leave vengeance to the Lord his God.

Neologist, i encourage you to murder or abuse apostrophes here to your heart's content. Please just tell us so that we have time to take cover.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2005 07:08 am
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Setanta: I think it has gotten personal for JTT, Pete,


It hasn't become personal at all, Setanta. I have clearly pointed up a couple of these falsehoods that you, with your dissembling, have tried desperately to avoid. That's what this thread is about.

I've brought them forward so you don't have to backtrack to the previous page.

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Setanta:
As for feel and feeling, the gerund is usually used to indicate an ongoing condition. If the plumber is still attempting to correct a leak, one would say: The plumber is seeing to the leak. Once the problem were correct, one would say: The plumber saw to the leak. If the problem has not yet been addressed, on might say: We need a plumber to see to that leak.


JTT: The pertinent portions;

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1) As for feel and feeling, the gerund is usually used to indicate an ongoing condition.

The plumber is seeing to the leak.
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JTT:
'seeing' is not a gerund, Setanta and the present progressive structure is not "used to indicate an ongoing condition".

*The plumber is seeing to leaks for ten years now.*

[asterisks denote an ungrammatical structure]

I believe this type of structure works for German but it doesn't for English. Maybe German is what you had in mind.

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"This breakdown is a good illustration of one of the main scandals of the language mavens: they show lapses in elementary problems of grammatical analysis, like figuring out the part-of-speech category of a word." [S Pinker]

This is the person, Pete, who you're happy to see back, whose opinions you value. For what possible reason? That's a real question.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2005 07:38 am
Sure thing, Boss, you win . . . here's your gold star.

Now, it would certainly be nice to see Neologist murder or merely abuse an apostrophe.
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2005 05:53 pm
Let us harken unto apostrophes--and address the old deities if we must.
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PhilAster
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2005 06:09 pm
lol you guys crack me up Wink

i feel like a big dumb ugly kid busting in & shooting my mouth off., but here goes again.

way i see it, jtt is saying dont take any bs from these grammer dudes. pincker/cambridge/longman whoever, why shd they tell me what to say n what to write. next thing theyll be telling me what to think.

which cambridge is it anyway. Ma. or a bucnh of brits.

not that im saying you others got it all wrong. no offense, im just a big dumb ugly kid.

btw tx for the beer n comfy chairs Smile

phil
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2005 08:07 pm
Starlover, you're welcome . . . i believe the Cambridge referred to is that in Merry Old, as opposed to Massachusetts (i am personally opposed to Massachusetts myself, but no one listens to me on the subject).

Do please drop that big dumb ugly kid routine--there are people enough and more in the world willing to disparage you, you need to be one of those who is reliably nice to yourself.
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2005 09:27 pm
Apostrophes--whether we discuss the human or to the divine.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2005 09:43 pm
In regard to the apostrophe--are we talkin' punctuation mark, or the author or a character addressing the reader?
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2005 09:49 pm
Set (as in unregenerate Egypt)

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In regard to the apostrophe--are we talkin' punctuation mark, or the author or a character addressing the reader?


Yes, to both.

Also to invoking the gods.

On A2K we function on many levels--sometimes with eggbeaters.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 7 May, 2005 10:22 pm
Heehee: Julian the Apostrophate.
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