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What are your pet peeves re English usage?

 
 
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 30 Sep, 2013 03:31 pm
@McTag,
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Spelled differently.


Wrong again, McTag, but at least now you've found a partner.

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ADJECTIVES tell the kind of noun,
As: great, small, pretty, white, or brown.

How things are done the ADVERBS tell,
As: slowly, quickly, badly, well.


Wrong, wrong, wrong, Walter. And right after that you and McTag both come to the sensible conclusion that,

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This renders the concept of what is "correct" more than a simple matter of right and wrong. What is correct in a tweet might not be in an essay; no single register of English is right for every occasion. Updating your status on Facebook is instinctive for anyone who can read and write to a basic level; for more formal communication, the conventions are harder to grasp and this is why so many people fret about the "rules" of grammar.



Here's some examples I grabbed off the internet:

... was so exceeding harmless.

I was horrid angry and would not go.

the five ladies were monstrous fine.

The weather was so violent hot.
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 30 Sep, 2013 03:37 pm
@McTag,


http://www.merriam-webster.com/video/0030-flatadverbs.htm?&t=1380576978
McTag
 
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Reply Tue 1 Oct, 2013 02:14 am
@JTT,
These example you quote seem to me to be all archaic.

"Rejoice, and be exceeding glad". When was the King James Bible written?
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McTag
 
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Reply Tue 1 Oct, 2013 02:16 am
@JTT,
This topic of "flat adverbs" is mildly interesting.

However I contend that there is a subtle shift of meaning between "Drive Safe" and "drive safely"- apart from one being a slogan/headline, I mean.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 1 Oct, 2013 03:42 am
@McTag,
McTag wrote:
This topic of "flat adverbs" is mildly interesting.

However I contend that there is a subtle shift of meaning between
"Drive Safe" and "drive safely"- apart from one being a slogan/headline, I mean.
What IS the "shift of meaning"?
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 1 Oct, 2013 06:24 am
@OmSigDAVID,
I don't consider it subtle. "Drive safe" is much more self-centred than "drive safely" which obviously is taking other road users into account.

If that shift is subtle then a coalman's shovel is subtle.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 1 Oct, 2013 07:23 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
I don't consider it subtle. "Drive safe" is much more self-centred
than "drive safely" which obviously is taking other road users into account.

If that shift is subtle then a coalman's shovel is subtle.
I see; Mr. McTag attributed subtlety to the the shift of meaning.

Surely only the best coal men have subtle shovels.





David
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McTag
 
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Reply Tue 1 Oct, 2013 07:33 am
@OmSigDAVID,

If I wanted to discuss subtlety, OSD, you wouldn't be the first choice of person to do it with.

But it all depends, doesn't it? We say to a child, "Sleep tight" and we wouldn't say anything else, but we also say "I slept soundly last night."

"Tie the rope tight" is fine (and probably means "tie the rope until it is tight") as is "Tie the rope tightly."

Coincidentally there was an interesting article in the paper today about this, which our friend will doubtless approve:

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/sep/30/10-grammar-rules-you-can-forget
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 1 Oct, 2013 07:44 am
@McTag,
McTag wrote:
If I wanted to discuss subtlety, OSD,
you wouldn't be the first choice of person to do it with.
That 's the function of a PRIVATE MESSAGE, which u did not employ.





David
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 1 Oct, 2013 08:58 am
@McTag,
If by "our friend" you mean me Mac then I don't approve. Certain styles, or usages, in language are class markers and I have the same attitude towards them as I do with other class markers in, say, dress or any other outward show of an ability to sustain pecuniary damage.

Take the difference between a lady on the phone to her best friend and her on the phone to the vicar enquiring whether she might make a contribution to the repair of the church roof.

It is no accident that it is the Grauniad that is seeking to blurr such distinctions as it is the House organ of the wily counter-jumper. Getting the excuses in first for the irreparable lack of a first rate education.

It stems I think from the widely held notion, originating in the USA, that the custodial nature of secondary education implies that the incarcerated adolescents have a right, not having asked or having done anything to deserve their fate, not to be pressed too much and, to a large extent, be entertained. It is a sign of academic success that the football team is proud of the school or college.

It is, if you follow the money, a business proposition as the editor of that rag well knows.

A Jesuit would, of course, laugh at such ideas assuming he had given up worrying about what they portend.

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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 1 Oct, 2013 10:57 am
@McTag,
Quote:
However I contend that there is a subtle shift of meaning between "Drive Safe" and "drive safely"- apart from one being a slogan/headline, I mean.


Your contention highlights that you were, once again, mistaken on how language works.

What prevents you from being honest enough to admit that?
McTag
 
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Reply Tue 1 Oct, 2013 11:24 am
@JTT,

I'll freely admit anything which is true.

Read my article.

Spendy, no, you were not the person referred to.
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 1 Oct, 2013 11:30 am
@McTag,
Quote:
I'll freely admit anything which is true.


I guess major obfuscation is as close as you want to venture towards honesty.

Quote:
Read my article.


You didn't write an article.
McTag
 
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Reply Tue 1 Oct, 2013 01:04 pm
@JTT,

Quote:
I guess major obfuscation is as close as you want to venture towards honesty.


Why do you want to turn everything into a personal attack, you miserable little ****?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 1 Oct, 2013 03:00 pm
@McTag,
McTag wrote:


Quote:
I guess major obfuscation is as close as you want to venture towards honesty.


Why do you want to turn everything into a personal attack, you miserable little ****?
Y do u wish to converse
with such a creature ?
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 1 Oct, 2013 03:15 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Maybe Mac's read De Quincey.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 1 Oct, 2013 03:16 pm
@spendius,
How's that for a scholarly allusion Mac?
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 1 Oct, 2013 03:39 pm
@McTag,
Your contention highlights that you were, once again, mistaken on how language works.

What prevents you from being honest enough to admit that?
McTag
 
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Reply Wed 2 Oct, 2013 12:53 am
@JTT,

More silly nonsense, eh?

Read the article I gave the link to.


OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 2 Oct, 2013 03:12 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
Maybe Mac's read De Quincey.
I see; De Quincey told him
to be advised by crazed minds.
 

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