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What are your pet peeves re English usage?

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 24 Aug, 2009 08:45 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

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All that is devoid of knowledge is not dead.


Can you provide an example?
A flower or a new born kitten
probably is essentially devoid of knowledge (I cannot prove this) yet lives.





David
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 24 Aug, 2009 12:03 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Have you never heard of J.C. Bose Dave? Those who have would think you uneducated in the matters on which you speak so forcefully. A kitten obviously has knowledge.

You should give up trying to defend your definition of "uneducated".
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 25 Aug, 2009 07:58 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
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Have you never heard of J.C. Bose Dave?

Yes; I never did.
Did he invent the Bose Sound System ?
I bought (bawt) one of those; I have yet to install it.






spendius wrote:
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Those who have would think you uneducated in the matters
on which you speak so forcefully.

HOW do u know
what others woud think, Spendius?
Did u take a survay ?





spendius wrote:
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A kitten obviously has knowledge.

Thank u for that information.
What information does he obviously HAVE ?








spendius wrote:
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You should give up trying to defend your definition of "uneducated".

I 'm not a quitter, Spendius.
Did Gen. Anthony McAuliffe give up Bastogne, when demanded by the German socialists?

I will continue to defend the definition until I become convinced
that it is logically best to amend that definition.
That has yet to occur.





David
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 25 Aug, 2009 08:14 am
@OmSigDAVID,
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Yes; I never did.
Did he invent the Bose Sound System ?
I bought (bawt) one of those; I have yet to install it.


I think you ought to install a better definition of "uneducated" first. It was you who used the word and claimed to order your social actions around its meaning. As it stands you can only relate to rocky mountain tops or deserts of sand or ice. All organic life has the knowledge to defy gravity.

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HOW do u know
what others woud think, Spendius?
Did u take a survay ?


There is no need Dave. It is obvious.

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spendius wrote:
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A kitten obviously has knowledge.
Thank u for that information.
What information does he obviously HAVE ?


Why have you now introduced the term "information"? That term will get your basic thesis on "uneducated" in even more trouble than it already is.

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I 'm not a quitter, Spendius.
Did Gen. Anthony McAuliffe give up Bastogne, when demanded by the German socialists?


Had the General been playing a hand as bad as your's is I feel sure he would have quit.

I can think of a definition of "uneducated" which you could use. But I don't think you are ready yet to risk it.
McTag
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2009 02:59 am

I don't like "hero" used to describe a female. We've got "heroine" for that.

Likewise "actor" for both genders. Females will always be "actresses" to me.

I blame the Americans, damn them.
Francis
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2009 03:04 am
@McTag,
I've seen actresses on heroine...

But is there any heroes on heroine?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2009 03:43 am
@McTag,
McTag wrote:


I don't like "hero" used to describe a female. We've got "heroine" for that.

Likewise "actor" for both genders. Females will always be "actresses" to me.

I blame the Americans, damn them.
If only u had won the war, u coud do something about it.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2009 04:09 am
@spendius,
David wrote:
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Yes; I never did.
Did he invent the Bose Sound System ?
I bought (bawt) one of those; I have yet to install it.



spendius wrote:
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I think you ought to install a better definition of "uneducated" first.
There is nothing out of the ordinary
qua my definition of that word, Spendius. It means not educated,
which means not provided with information.



spendius wrote:
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It was you who used the word and claimed to order your social actions around its meaning.
I deny that I claimed
what u allege.





spendius wrote:
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As it stands you can only relate to rocky mountain tops or deserts of sand or ice.
I deny that too.
I guess that is more of what is "obvious" to u,
however delusional that may be.
Do u like LSD in your beer or ale ?




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All organic life has the knowledge to defy gravity.
Will u prove that it has knowledge
or will u be satisfied to assert that it is "obvious" (I predict the latter.)




David wrote:
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HOW do u know
what others woud think, Spendius?
Did u take a survay ?

spendius wrote:
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There is no need Dave. It is obvious.

Did thay tell Columbus that it was obvious that the world is flat ?



spendius wrote:
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A kitten obviously has knowledge.

David wrote:
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Thank u for that information.
What information does he obviously HAVE ?




spendius wrote:
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Why have you now introduced the term "information"?
That term will get your basic thesis on "uneducated" in even more trouble than it already is.
If u look above,
u will see that it was to express gratitude; (it was done as a courtesy).


David wrote:
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I 'm not a quitter, Spendius.
Did Gen. Anthony McAuliffe give up Bastogne, when demanded by the German socialists?


spendius wrote:
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Had the General been playing a hand as bad as your's is I feel sure he would have quit.
Presumably, u 'd have told
him that it was "obvious"; he 'd have rejected your reasoning,
or its absence, as I do. That 's because he was smart.





spendius wrote:
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I can think of a definition of "uneducated" which you could use.
But I don't think you are ready yet to risk it.
More of what is "obvious" no doubt.

Spendius, I suspect that the value of this dialogue has been exhausted.
I don 't have much confidence in what u find to be "obvious".





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2009 04:09 am
@Francis,
Francis wrote:

I've seen actresses on heroine...

But is there any heroes on heroine?
That 's clever.
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2009 06:12 am
@OmSigDAVID,
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Spendius, I suspect that the value of this dialogue has been exhausted.
I don 't have much confidence in what u find to be "obvious".


Okay.
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TNTABC123
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2009 06:37 am
@Setanta,
i don't really see how english people (brits in general too) can pronounce something wrong when it's our own language (unless we speak it in a slangy, or northern, way)! we speak with what is known as the queens english, the one correct pronounciation.

also my pet hates are
wrath: pronounced how it looks when it should be pronounced wroth.
also people who pronounce pronounciation pro-noun-cia-tion, it should be pro-nun-cia-tion
McTag
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2009 06:37 am
@Francis,

Quote:
I've seen actresses on heroine...

But is there any heroes on heroine?


There are plenty of heroes on actresses.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2009 07:12 am
@TNTABC123,
Jesus, you read that post and you couldn't tell it was a joke? Your command of "the Queen's English" appears to be marginal at best. I'll also point out to you that you're a little slow--i made that post five and half years ago. While we're at it, i don't speak "the Queen's English," nor have any respect for the way the Queen does anything. The Queen is nothing to me. I speak the American language, thank Dog.

However, i must say that the ironic humor of your post is worth special mention. You claim that no one can criticize another for pronouncing a word "wrong," when it is their own language--then you condemn slang and people from the north (one assumes you mean the north of England, although, of course, that's anybody's guess). You finish by telling us what you hate in the way of pronunciation. You're a hoot, Dude.
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2009 09:05 am
@Setanta,
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While we're at it, i don't speak "the Queen's English," nor have any respect for the way the Queen does anything. The Queen is nothing to me.


Set shows great respect for the Queen by taking the time and making the effort to declare that he has no respect for her. His assertions on their own are meaningless but his effort is not.

Why else would he single out the Queen from the billions of people who live on the earth to be the subject of his attention unless his respect is profound.

One can hardly suppose anybody else means anything to him either except possibly those who are temporarily serving his needs.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2009 09:08 am
@TNTABC123,
TNTABC123 wrote:
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i don't really see how english people (brits in general too) can pronounce something wrong when it's our own language (unless we speak it in a slangy, or northern, way)! we speak with what is known as the queens english, the one correct pronounciation.

What about the cockneys ?
What about your failure to capitalize -- is THAT the Queen's English?



TNTABC123 wrote:
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also my pet hates are
wrath: pronounced how it looks when it should be pronounced wroth.
Then SPELL it that way.
also people who pronounce pronounciation pro-noun-cia-tion, it should be pro-nun-cia-tion
NOT if its spelled the other way.





David
TNTABC123
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2009 09:24 am
@Setanta,
can you really not tell that a) slang isn't ever thought of as correct pronounciation and that is the point, slang was originally created so people wouldn't know what one was talking about. b) i was joking about the North (of England).

Are you really too slow to grasp these things, also "the Queens English" is just another way of saying English (U.K.). Also when saying the things that i do not like about pronounciation I am merely referring to people who do speak the queens english, as in english people. If an American pronounces something differently to the way i do, i will not 'hate' that, i will acknowledge that it is a different country with what is known as a different dialect. I don't mind people pronouncing things differently with different dialect, but people with mine i just prefer to speak properly. and also i admit that i have picked up several bad habits and don't mind someone complaining about, for example i sometimes use the thames valley talking style say things with 'th' and 'ff' and i don't mind if that annoys people and i usually try not to speak like that but do sometimes and they can complain about things like that on here without me throwing a tantrum.

p.s. cockneys and others do not speak what in england is regarded as perfect english, but that's just because language evolves, as do accents. and also cockney is based an awful lot and slang eg. cockney rhyming slang.
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Francis
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2009 09:43 am
TNTAbc123 wrote:
"the Queens English" is just another way of saying English (U.K.).

Oh, yeah? I thought the Queens was a borough and county in New York City.

But, hey, I don't speak Queen's English..
TNTABC123
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2009 09:43 am
@OmSigDAVID,
To be honest, I wouldn't have thought that an online forum would be so offended by my lack of capitalisation (in Britain we spell it with an S. Yes, that is the Queen's English), it is an informal place where I don't mind if people want to spell 'you' like 'u' or 'to' like '2', if i was writing something important i would use capitals but on here it doesn't really matter.

Oh yeah, sorry Francis I forgot the apostrophe.
And if you don't speak Queen's English you may just speak a different dialect, I'm just saying what is the official correct U.K. way.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2009 09:47 am
@Francis,
Francis wrote:

TNTAbc123 wrote:
"the Queens English" is just another way of saying English (U.K.).

Oh, yeah? I thought the Queens was a borough and county in New York City.

But, hey, I don't speak Queen's English..
I live there also here.





David
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2009 09:53 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Blew right by you, Om.
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