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What are your pet peeves re English usage?

 
 
Francis
 
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Reply Sat 22 Aug, 2009 12:52 am
@McTag,
Such is life. And it's not for the weak..
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 22 Aug, 2009 02:06 am
@aidan,
aidan wrote:

He spells it 'thawt' because he's a New Yawkah and that's how they say it.
I've probably heard him say it-
I can't remember specifically if he said the word 'thought' or not- but yeah, probably.

Do u believe that I have an accent
that is particular to NY ?


From my 8th thru 13th years, I lived in Arizona and in California.
I did not notice any differences of speech patterns
between myself and the indigenous populations,
except for a few words in Arizona, e.g.: ceement for cement.

To melt something is to THAW it.
Adding a t to that word yeilds
an accurate fonetic result, thereby obviating the atavistic
more common spelling of the past tense of think.
Arguably, it can be rendered thaut
with a single u instead of a w.

I am endeavoring to tear down the old paradime
to the extent that it is not fonetic and thus does not deserve to exist
(as an offense against sound reasoning).





David


OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 22 Aug, 2009 02:20 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

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It can also serve to assure the hearer that
he is being truthful and not joking, nor is he exagerating.
Accordingly, those frases can serve a useful purpose.


I'm inclined to think that phrases such as "to be perfectly frank and honest, serve the purpose of allowing a speaker to gob off for longer than than what he/she has to say justifies. They are woffle.

I was offering "thote" as an alternative to your "thawt". Not for a moment, if I was to absolutely and scupulously stick to the facts with unambiguous and downright plain-speaking and a pious attitude of sincerity, did I suggest, nor even think, that you had used "thote". I was wondering why you preferred "thawt" and why you have a non-ironical or non-satirical objection to "thought", as I explained I have sometimes indulged in, which passes the eye during reading in the manner which the dainty flowers on a freshly starched print frock do whereas "thawt" is more akin to a grubby stain on the pattern of suspicious derivation from which one might reasonably conclude that the wearer was unfamiliar with Mrs Ellis's advice to the Daughters of England: a seminal work in the genre.
I wonder what "gob off" means.

My objection to spelling the word thawt
as "thought" is that it includes letters that r not fonetically necessary nor helpful.
Hence: thay shoud be purged, rejected n stomped upon, in abhorence.
Let 's do it for the children.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 22 Aug, 2009 02:38 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

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You seem to have a problem with "educated".


I have had no problem with "educated" ever since a chap in the pub who I had previously though a bit short in the head rewired, in short order, a building in which I had an interest and positioned and connected up all the machines. Some of which weighed half a ton.

I think your use of the term is not only uncharitable but also an indiscreet method whereby you attempt to claim some spurious ascendency
for your own attainments but ends up revealing how botched and bungled your own education has so far been.

Your a snob.
If so, then (by definition) I 'd have rejected social contact with them.





David
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 22 Aug, 2009 03:37 am
@McTag,
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Clary packed it in because she couldn't stand Spendy's carping, and that was sad.


I could think of other explanations Mac. But I do miss her.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 22 Aug, 2009 04:01 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

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Clary packed it in because she couldn't stand Spendy's carping, and that was sad.


I could think of other explanations Mac. But I do miss her.
I wonder Y u elect to divide your sentence
into 2 sections. The first is a full sentence and the second
is a sentence fragment.

Woud it be simpler n more straightforward to set it forth
as: I could think of other explanations, Mc, but I do miss her ?





David
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 22 Aug, 2009 06:07 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Two distinct ideas.
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 22 Aug, 2009 06:20 am
@OmSigDAVID,
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If so, then (by definition) I 'd have rejected social contact with them.


How do you define "uneducated" Dave? If you reject social contact how do you make your invidious comparison with yourself.

And when you do use the word about others what do you do when you are laughed at by those who know better than to underestimate people and go on to, when they have managed to stop giggling, challenge your own education which, viewed from here, seems pretty narrow as is invariably the case with snobbish and disdainful persons who's parents and teachers have led them up the garden path. past the tulips and roses, and up to the yawning door of their infinitely receptive egoflapper.

Do you snarl--"reach!!!"
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 22 Aug, 2009 08:25 am
@glitterbag,
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Well I learned something today, both Spendius and JTT must only be able to engage via forums on those computer thingies.


I can't speak for JTT but I would like a definition of "able to engage" before I could comment on that silly statement.

It is one of my fundamental positions that we are all disengaged on a permanent basis.

I think it is because I only ever read writers who thought the same. Everything else being bullshit.

Nothing is more tiresome in the pub as a chap who is engaged. Odd ones sometimes join in at my corner of the bar but they never last very long. They go away and start telling everybody what a bunch cynics we are. And all because we start delving into the real reasons they have a boat on Lake Windermere and have to drive miles and miles every weekend to check it hasn't been vandalised and a few other things, and take it out for a ride. They like little rides once a week do boats, they hate being neglected, entropy you know. Little boats I mean. Ones that go up and down all the time in the ripples. Big boats like lying at anchor in a warm harbour with the waves doing the up and down stuff. Valetta say. That's near enough to a honey pot to reduce the amount of tramping backwards and forwards.

Someone who has bought his two daughters a couple of horses never lasts for more than 5 minutes unless he's been warned to avoid mentioning the horses and the gymkhana. We do the mucking out and the board and lodging.

This engaged stuff is all in the way of making us look like lazy, idle goodfornothings just because we sprawl across the sofa all day watching the Test Match. We are close relations to monkeys they say and they are lazy, idle good for nothings most of the time. Does not evolution ratify scientifically lazy, idle goodfornothings

We are engaged in wending our way through this weary world of woe with the least aggravation which we think is sanity.

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And one of you, can't remember which, used peeve as a verb.....Christ, it can't get better than this.


That is hardly a sign of being engaged. You can't be bothered you mean. It's back up the thread I presume. It certainly wasn't me although I have no objection. "She peeved her way through her ridiculous post," is clear enough to be understood. But it's a bit sneaky when she can't be bothered and tars me with the same brush she is tarring JTT with. And pretending a loss of memory when memory is not required.

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The two of you are a complete waste of time.


But seemingly worth 13 lines of thrumming indignation.

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It must be a wonderful state to be in when you never question yourself.


I've done it. I'm a well evolved microbe. There's nowhere left to go. It is pleasant. What questions are you still asking yourself at this point in your life. You might ask yourself why you get ego reinforcement out of an assertion of your own that something is "nonsense". With such a method you can never be wrong. You've tickled your own tummy. And with "manure" as well.

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I hope none of this is offensive


You do not hope in vain.

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my Dad said it didn't say much about a person who wanted to match wits with children or defectives, so on one level if he was still among the living he would disapprove....however, if he had a chance to read the manure you are spreading, he would be a much harsher critic than I of these feeble attempts the two of you have made in an effort to appear smart.


I don't discuss what you call defectives and it never entered my head that I wanted to match my wits with children. I have a higher opinion of A2K than that. Do you not think it incumbent upon us to make an effort to appear smart?

I think most of us would agree with what you claim your father would have said about matching our wits with children or faced with "manure".

I'm pretty easy going with fools. I found it necessary.

We only come on here because we are bored to tears at times.
aidan
 
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Reply Sat 22 Aug, 2009 11:12 am
@OmSigDAVID,

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Do u believe that I have an accent
that is particular to NY ?

To some extent- not like the stereotypical NYC cabbie or anything - but yeah - I can hear traces.

I was saying 'thawt' aloud to myself as you spelled it and obviously pronounce it - since you spell foneticly - and then I tried it out as I say it - and I say 'thaut' as in rhyming with 'taut' or 'taught- not quite a short o - but definitely not the aw sound.
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aidan
 
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Reply Sat 22 Aug, 2009 11:17 am
@OmSigDAVID,
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e.g.: ceement for cement.

Yeah, my mom has a real southern accent and she says cee-ment and um'-brella and in'-surance and gui'-tar.

The other thing I noticed when I moved back down south to go to college is that people said, 'ink pee-in' as in 'Can I borrow your ink pee-in?'

At first I was so confused as in, 'Why do they have to say ink in front of pen? ' All pens have ink by definition. And then I realized it was because they didn't differentiate in terms of the pronunciation of 'pen' and 'pin' - they said both words 'pee-in' (two syllables for a three letter word).
aidan
 
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Reply Sat 22 Aug, 2009 11:23 am
@aidan,
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she can't be bothered


That's one of my favorite Britishisms - 'I'm not bothered' which means David - get ready - 'I could care less' or 'I couldn't care less'.

I really love it when people say, 'I'm not bovvered..' Laughing

But when I first moved here and my little neighbor Alice would come to my house and I'd ask her, 'Would you like a cookie?' (or something to that effect) and she'd answer, 'I don't mind...'
I was so confused...what did she mean by that? Did she want a cookie or not?
Eventually I figured out that it was her way of being polite - she didn't want to seem too eager, but she also didn't want to say no.
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 22 Aug, 2009 12:24 pm
@aidan,
It's a silly question Becks. How could anybody not have a yearning for one of your cookies? I bet I could gobble up a plateful and lick all the crumbs off as well.
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 22 Aug, 2009 01:52 pm
@glitterbag,
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Well I learned something today,


It's about time, Glitter.

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And one of you, can't remember which, used peeve as a verb.


================
OED

peeve
informal

verb annoy; irritate.

=====================
AHD

peeve

TRANSITIVE VERBverb
Inflected Form(s): peeved; peev·ing
Etymology: back-formation from peevish
Date: 1910
: to make peevish or resentful : annoy
synonyms see irritate

=======================

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I'll check in from time to time and post when I am bored to tears.


Better limit it to reminiscing, Glitter.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 22 Aug, 2009 01:59 pm
@McTag,
That is sad, McTag. I'm sure Clary's a nice person.

Given the depth of her knowledge - as she was so quick to point out that she was in the EFL field, so she knew these things - one has to wonder why was she all but absent from any real discussion on language. That's so strange; how can one KNOW these things but not be able to discuss them?
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 22 Aug, 2009 02:05 pm
@spendius,
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It certainly wasn't me although I have no objection. "She peeved her way through her ridiculous post," is clear enough to be understood. But it's a bit sneaky when she can't be bothered and tars me with the same brush she is tarring JTT with.


You've tarred yourself with the same brush, Spendi, the one that says "I know that peeve is a verb".
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Francis
 
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Reply Sat 22 Aug, 2009 02:11 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
That's so strange; how can one KNOW these things but not be able to discuss them?


I know it's possible, JTT.

I know lots of stuff I never discuss with anybody, for whatever reason..
aidan
 
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Reply Sat 22 Aug, 2009 02:23 pm
@JTT,
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Given the depth of her knowledge - as she was so quick to point out that she was in the EFL field, so she knew these things - one has to wonder why was she all but absent from any real discussion on language. That's so strange; how can one KNOW these things but not be able to discuss them?

Maybe she didn't like to talk about what was work to her, in her free time. She was great at the word games though - maybe that's how she used her knowledge and expertise as she relaxed.
aidan
 
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Reply Sat 22 Aug, 2009 02:27 pm
@spendius,
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It's a silly question Becks. How could anybody not have a yearning for one of your cookies? I bet I could gobble up a plateful and lick all the crumbs off as well.

How nice of you to say that to me spendius. I do happen to be a good baker - cookies and cakes especially - and even pies now that I feel confident with my pastry.
You'll have to let me know which kind are your favorite and I'll make you some.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 22 Aug, 2009 02:42 pm
@Francis,
Supposedly, that was her field, Francis. She couldn't discuss language issues because she hadn't given much thought to the issues. What was good enough for dear ole dad was good enough for her.
 

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