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What are your pet peeves re English usage?

 
 
Mame
 
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Reply Thu 27 Dec, 2007 10:24 pm
Merry Andrew wrote:
Mame, it's "wrong" only because some people with way too much time on their hands say that it's wrong. If the sentence is clear, lucid and understandable, there's no reason on earth why it shouldn't begin with a preposition, conjunction or any other kind of word. (Okay, okay, I can see where a pedant might argue against the conjunction. A conjunction, by definition, joins things. At the begining of a sentence, there's nothing to join. My personal rule of thumb still stands: if it's undertsandable, it's okay.)


I agree. It's just hard for me to do away with all those rules. But really, I cannot stand sentences that start with conjunctions and relative pronouns. Would you write the following:

He put on his rubber boots because it was raining hard. Which really bothered him.

NO!!! Weird, to me Smile

Easier to understand are sentences beginning But, However, And... but it's still hard to wrap my mind around it - I must be a dinosaur in my thinking.
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brion
 
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Reply Sat 29 Dec, 2007 03:29 pm
What are your pet peeves re English usage?
contrex wrote:
Note that "heights" has a letter 'e'.


You Might be Right I shall give some Weight to your claim.

No-you are wrong ! As the Academy in France decides the French language,so do I decide on English. I am the FINAL ARBITER.
Feel free to ask me anything. I'm quite good on Dutch also.
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Sat 29 Dec, 2007 04:14 pm
Brion--


Welcome to A2K.

You seem to have a healthy ego.
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McTag
 
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Reply Sun 30 Dec, 2007 02:13 am
I'll tell you what really ticks me off.

It's the current American habit of using "hero" for both genders,

Is there anything more annoying?

No, there isn't.
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Sun 30 Dec, 2007 03:19 pm
Quote:
I'll tell you what really ticks me off.

It's the current American habit of using "hero" for both genders,

Is there anything more annoying?

No, there isn't.


Villainess.
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brion
 
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Reply Sun 30 Dec, 2007 03:43 pm
What are your pet peeves re English usage?
Both ? Do you think there are only two ?
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brion
 
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Reply Sun 30 Dec, 2007 03:46 pm
What are your pet peeves re English usage?
Noddy24 wrote:
Brion--


Welcome to A2K.

You seem to have a healthy ego.


Noddy-thank-you for the welcome. Do you think you know of anyone who could rebutt my claim ?
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 30 Dec, 2007 08:59 pm
Mame wrote:


I agree. It's just hard for me to do away with all those rules. But really, I cannot stand sentences that start with conjunctions and relative pronouns. Would you write the following:

He put on his rubber boots because it was raining hard. Which really bothered him.

NO!!! Weird, to me Smile


What would the antecedent for the relative pronoun 'which' be, Mame?
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Mame
 
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Reply Sun 30 Dec, 2007 09:06 pm
You would simply write it another way, JTT.

The only time you use "Which" to start a sentence is when it's a question. At least, that is what I was taught.

"Which way are you going?"

The sentence in my previous post is not a complete sentence, so it's doubly wrong.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 30 Dec, 2007 09:20 pm
Mame wrote:
You would simply write it another way, JTT.

The only time you use "Which" to start a sentence is when it's a question. At least, that is what I was taught.

"Which way are you going?"

The sentence in my previous post is not a complete sentence, so it's doubly wrong.


Mame, you wrote, "NO!!! Weird, to me". We don't speak in complete sentences and there's nothing "wrong" with that at all. But, regardless, the fact that you can't find an antecedent for 'which' should tell you something.

This,

"Which way are you going?"

also isn't a complete sentence. It needs, "Billy", as in,

"Which way are you going, Billy?" Smile
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Mame
 
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Reply Sun 30 Dec, 2007 09:44 pm
I'm slanging on here, JTT - and in convos with friends, you do that... but were you to write... you have to add the punctuation, so obviously it's different, which is what I think you said on the other thread - written is very different from spoken.

I asked you a question or two on the other thread, when you have time to get to them......
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 30 Dec, 2007 10:12 pm
Mame wrote:
I'm slanging on here, JTT - and in convos with friends, you do that... but were you to write... you have to add the punctuation, so obviously it's different, which is what I think you said on the other thread - written is very different from spoken.

I asked you a question or two on the other thread, when you have time to get to them......


Done, Mame, the other thread that is.

There is no antecedent because the relative clause modifies the whole sentence. It is a sentence modifying relative clause. Sometimes we use these as afterthoughts.

He gets a long holiday ... which is nice.

He get a long holiday, which is nice.

He gets a long holiday. Which is nice.
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Mame
 
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Reply Sun 30 Dec, 2007 10:32 pm
Sorry, I disagree. A sentence is supposed to be complete.

Which is nice.

is not.

a.

complete.

sentence.


Smile

We shall have to agree to disagree Smile

Happy New Year, JTT>
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 31 Dec, 2007 04:06 am
JTT wrote:

This,

"Which way are you going?"

also isn't a complete sentence.


Shocked Rolling Eyes

Is this the way to San Jose?

What are you, CRAZY?

Smile
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jan, 2008 06:53 pm
Mame wrote:
Sorry, I disagree. A sentence is supposed to be complete.

Which is nice.

is not.

a.

complete.

sentence.

Smile

We shall have to agree to disagree Smile

Happy New Year, JTT>



It doesn't have to be a complete sentence, Mame.

Quote:


LGSWE

Unembedded dependent clauses are connected with the evolving nature of conversation. Clauses of reason, which are particularly common, allow the speaker to add some words of explanation or justification without planning an argument in advance.

Which-clauses are typically sentence relatives which allow the speaker to express a comment on something that has just been said. These constructions commonly open with expressions such as:

Which means/explains ...

Which brings me to ...

The special advantage of the relative link is that it signals a close connection to the immediately preceding text.

{at page 223-224}




Quote:


LGSWE

Sentences will not be separately described, as it is debatable whetehr this notion is applicable to speech. [at page 50]

Whereas the sentence has been treated, traditionally and in modern theory, as the fundamental structural unit of grammar, such a unit does not realistically exist in conversational language. [at page 1039]



And a grand and Happy New Year to you and yours, Mame.
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jan, 2008 07:01 pm
McTag wrote:
JTT wrote:

This,

"Which way are you going?"

also isn't a complete sentence.


Shocked Rolling Eyes

Is this the way to San Jose?

What are you, CRAZY?

Smile


You may be right, I may be crazy, but it just may be a lunatic you're lookin' for.

Happy New Year to you, McTag!!!!!!!
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Wy
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jan, 2008 07:06 pm
As far as the serial comma, which I have also heard called "the Oxford comma," my Horrid Example is as follows:

A young man was asked to provide a dedication for his first published work. He decided on:

"To my parents, God and Ayn Rand."

I hope Ayn and God are very happy together, don't you? The point is, sometimes that comma is Absolutely Necessary!

p.s. my apologies if this is somewhere in the 200 or so pages I skipped...
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Mame
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jan, 2008 07:14 pm
As a serial comma believer, it always bears repeating. Smile
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Mame
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jan, 2008 07:14 pm
As a serial comma believer, I believe it always bears repeating. Smile
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Dutchy
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jan, 2008 07:40 pm
As a serial pest, I believe you've got the hiccups Mama. Smile

Happy New Year.
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