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What are your pet peeves re English usage?

 
 
Dorothy Parker
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jul, 2007 07:12 am
Steve 41oo wrote:
my doctor used to say

"and how are WE?"

It wasnt so much the use of the first person plural that irritated me, it was the fact that he hoped I'd been on the web and could give him a full clinical diagnosis of whatever ailment it was, leaving him just to write out the prescription. Actually he was a really nice bloke.

Currently awaiting replacement. I got in BIG hot water round the pub because I said I hoped I didnt get one of these Islamist doctors specialising in neurosurgery and carbombs.

Do I have the right to express a preference? Supposing I was Jewish, I might feel uncomfortable about seeing a Muslim GP.


Funny you should say that Steve, I visited my GP this morning (it's somebody different everytime I go) and he was an Asian man. I don't know of which faith. We were discussing holidays and I said I wanted to visit New York again and that one of the things I wanted to go and see was Ground Zero. He looked at me disapprovingly, shook his head and said "what do you want to go there for?" to which I replied "well, to pay my respects."

I was uncomfortable with his attitude.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jul, 2007 07:56 am
Well, 'Ground Zero' looks, ideed, more like an amusement center.

At least, I've a different idea of how to spend respect.
(Thta's how the tourists behave there, and some some how some people are 'capitalising' this event there selling souvenirs.)
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jul, 2007 09:02 am
Dorothy Parker wrote:
Steve 41oo wrote:
my doctor used to say

"and how are WE?"

It wasnt so much the use of the first person plural that irritated me, it was the fact that he hoped I'd been on the web and could give him a full clinical diagnosis of whatever ailment it was, leaving him just to write out the prescription. Actually he was a really nice bloke.

Currently awaiting replacement. I got in BIG hot water round the pub because I said I hoped I didnt get one of these Islamist doctors specialising in neurosurgery and carbombs.

Do I have the right to express a preference? Supposing I was Jewish, I might feel uncomfortable about seeing a Muslim GP.


Funny you should say that Steve, I visited my GP this morning (it's somebody different everytime I go) and he was an Asian man. I don't know of which faith. We were discussing holidays and I said I wanted to visit New York again and that one of the things I wanted to go and see was Ground Zero. He looked at me disapprovingly, shook his head and said "what do you want to go there for?" to which I replied "well, to pay my respects."

I was uncomfortable with his attitude.
...and yet if you said anything you would be roundly condemned as a racist. This is what annoyed me the other night. I queried and challenged the ideas that motivated the man to action, not the man himself. You can choose your religion you cant choose your genes. I dont trust the judgement of someone who believes he is in possession of the absolute and perfect word of God, as handed down via the Archangel Gabriel to an illiterate goat herdsman 1400 years ago... especially when part of that belief system divides the world into two, halal- good or haram - bad and that I as a secular westerner am definitely in the wrong half.

Anyway I was told by the defenders of Islam that I was being a racist. I was even told...and this is was really got me...that maybe its because of my views that I like going to Germany i.e. they are all nazis and so am I.

Just for the record I'm not a nazi and I know no-one who is. I'm an antifascist. The intolerance violence and racism that I come across these days mostly comes from within Islam.

Sorry to hijack the thread.
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easyasabc
 
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Reply Fri 17 Aug, 2007 09:44 am
Ban the apostrophe!
I hate apostrophes with a passion and think they're not really needed. Could we start a movement to ban them?
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McTag
 
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Reply Fri 17 Aug, 2007 11:24 pm
What do you mean? You've just used one.

I disagree. They are necessary. But they are often misused.
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spendius
 
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Reply Sat 18 Aug, 2007 02:50 am
A bloke in the pub said he was going to NYC to see Ground Zero.

I said to him-"what do you want to go there for?"

Something to do with mass death I think.

I can't understand why anybody wants to go anywhere.
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McTag
 
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Reply Sun 19 Aug, 2007 12:56 am
Thank you, Marco Polo.
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Mame
 
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Reply Sun 19 Aug, 2007 10:39 am
Laughing
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Roberta
 
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Reply Mon 20 Aug, 2007 01:16 pm
The meaning of "verbal" seems to be getting lost. Verbal refers to something in words--written and spoken. Oral is spoken. Written is, well, written.

More and more I see "verbal" when "oral" is intended.

Grrrrrrrr.
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 20 Aug, 2007 06:05 pm
Yes. How about "literally" where "figuratively" is required.

My head literally exploded.

John was literally beside himself with rage.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 21 Aug, 2007 12:32 pm
spendius wrote:
I can't understand why anybody wants to go anywhere.
why go round the pub then?


Friend of mine round my local explained that when the Queen Mum got to heaven she saw Diana in radiant glory with a halo. After some while remarking on her appearance Diana explains its not a halo, but a steering wheel.

That why I travel Spendy, broadens the mind dont you know.
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 31 Aug, 2007 05:52 pm
McTag wrote:
Yes. How about "literally" where "figuratively" is required.

My head literally exploded.

John was literally beside himself with rage.



Hello McTag,

Long time no contact.


Respectfully submitted, FYI.

+++++++++++++++++

M-W:

literally

Function: adverb
1 : in a literal sense or manner : ACTUALLY <took> <was>
2 : in effect : VIRTUALLY <will>

usage Since some people take sense 2 to be the opposite of sense 1, it has been frequently criticized as a misuse. Instead, the use is pure hyperbole intended to gain emphasis, but it often appears in contexts where no additional emphasis is necessary.

+++++++++++++++++++

Ciao.
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McTag
 
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Reply Sat 1 Sep, 2007 02:15 am
Yes but since that meaning is plainly bonkers, I ignore it.

And so should you.

Smile


I do not mean of course (in my previous remark) that "figuratively" should be substituted in such cases, nor can it be. Simply that "literally" means, well just that. So my head did not actually explode.

I think your dictionary writer has gone too far. It's a bit like the modern habit of saying "bad" to mean very good.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 1 Sep, 2007 02:39 pm
McTag wrote:
Yes but since that meaning is plainly bonkers, I ignore it.

And so should you.

Smile

I can't good Sir or I'd be denying part of my language, unable to comprehend certain speech or effect certain aspects of meaning.


I do not mean of course (in my previous remark) that "figuratively" should be substituted in such cases, nor can it be. Simply that "literally" means, well just that. So my head did not actually explode.

I think your dictionary writer has gone too far. It's a bit like the modern habit of saying "bad" to mean very good.


We can never hope to change the meaning that people give to words, even when two meanings of the same word seem to be polar opposites. Such is the beauty of language and I know that though you often pretend to be an old curmudgeon, that quick brain of yours grasps these concepts with a speed that is lost on, say, a Setanta. Smile

Here are two more dictionaries illustrating the same meaning. Long before they had ever included it, it had already attained that meaning. The only ones who can invent and reinvent language are the users of a language.

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http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=46583&dict=CALD
literally Show phonetics
adverb INFORMAL
1 used to emphasize what you are saying:
He missed that kick literally by miles.
I was literally bowled over by the news.

===============

http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/literally?view=uk

literally

• adverb 1 in a literal manner or sense. 2 informal used for emphasis (rather than to suggest literal truth).
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McTag
 
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Reply Sun 2 Sep, 2007 07:41 am
Could be.

I say, you shouldn't necessarily be swayed by the latest pronouncements of the trendy online dictionary folks. They are all trying to outdo each other in trendyness and up-to-the-minuteness and are all to willing to fall for the latest jargon and hyperbole, putting it in print before it has passed the McTag test.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 2 Sep, 2007 02:15 pm
McTag wrote:
Could be.

I say, you shouldn't necessarily be swayed by the latest pronouncements of the trendy online dictionary folks. They are all trying to outdo each other in trendyness and up-to-the-minuteness and are all to willing to fall for the latest jargon and hyperbole, putting it in print before it has passed the McTag test.


I begin now, on a life long quest to find and absorb all there is to absorb of the McTag test.
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McTag
 
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Reply Sun 2 Sep, 2007 03:34 pm
A wise course of action.
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McTag
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2007 11:11 pm
Hey JTT

There was a profile of Stephen Pinker in The Guardian yesterday, did you see it?

http://books.guardian.co.uk/departments/scienceandnature/story/0,,2174421,00.html
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McTag
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2007 11:14 pm
I may have mentioned this before, and probably will do again....

I don't like the phrase "year on year". What's wrong with what we had, "year after year"?

Neologist claptrap. imho.
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Roberta
 
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Reply Sun 23 Sep, 2007 03:43 am
Never heard "year on year." Feh.
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