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What are your pet peeves re English usage?

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 5 Sep, 2005 04:15 pm
[I nearly made a typo Laughing ]
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Mon 5 Sep, 2005 04:24 pm
Walter, instead of bibendum, how about prandeamus?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 5 Sep, 2005 04:31 pm
Credo nos in fluctu eodem esse. Laughing
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Mon 5 Sep, 2005 04:41 pm
Smile
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Doomed
 
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Reply Mon 5 Sep, 2005 09:32 pm
Oh, phooey! If you must use untranslated Latin phrases, I must iam liquescit et decrescit
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Doomed
 
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Reply Mon 5 Sep, 2005 10:08 pm
Never mind. I looked everything up like a little nerd.


How would you say, "I stink therefore I am"?
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Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 6 Sep, 2005 12:39 am
Doomed wrote:
Never mind. I looked everything up like a little nerd.


How would you say, "I stink therefore I am"?

Oleo ergo sum? (But I don't know Latin either, this is from a conjugation program I found with a Google on "Latin conjugation". Say it loud, I'm a nerd and proud!
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McTag
 
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Reply Tue 6 Sep, 2005 02:37 am
Be adventurous, make it up from a noun:

EFFLUVIO ERGO SUM
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Francis
 
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Reply Tue 6 Sep, 2005 03:04 am
Adventurous?

Then I prefer - Stinko ergo sum.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 6 Sep, 2005 05:38 am
Francis wrote:
Adventurous?

Then I prefer - Stinko ergo sum.



Oh-lálá:

http://www.paradis-latin.com/images/homepage_r10_c7.jpg
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dadpad
 
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Reply Sun 18 Sep, 2005 03:30 am
G'day folks im just starting to find my way around A2K. This may be off topic for your current line of discussion and you may have dealt with it before, (but im not going to read 209 pages to find out), however it would seem to fit the original idea of this thread.

ALMOST UNIQUE drives me insaaaannneee

also "very unique" nearly u..
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Sun 18 Sep, 2005 05:36 am
Welcome, dadpad!

Hey, mates, there's life in this thread yet!
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McTag
 
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Reply Sun 18 Sep, 2005 08:56 am
What's wrong with "almost unique"?

You can have "almost stopped" (=still moving, but only just),
"almost dead" (=same)
etc

so why not almost unique?
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Sun 18 Sep, 2005 09:06 am
because with unique there is no sense of moving towards the final state, dead or stopped.

Unique has a timeless quality, whereas cessation of movement or life is a state that it is possible to get closer to over time.


well thats my 0.02$ worth as I have seen posted here
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McTag
 
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Reply Sun 18 Sep, 2005 09:11 am
I'm not convinced.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 18 Sep, 2005 09:12 am
I'm almost convinced.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Sun 18 Sep, 2005 09:18 am
I dont believe a word of it
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Francis
 
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Reply Sun 18 Sep, 2005 09:28 am
European word play going on here?

I'll go with dadpad: unique is unique, almost unique denies the quality of uniqueness, hence not UNIQUE.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 18 Sep, 2005 09:34 am
Quote:
Many readers will have spent the better part of their life hearing and reading the word 'unique' in a modified form. For example, a person might describe a situation as 'quite unique', or a music reviewer might praise an album as 'one of the most unique examples of [insert genre, technique, etc, here]'.

The problem is that you can't modify 'unique'. Or rather you can't always modify it, which leads to an interesting proposition.



The Word 'Unique'

Generally, any good English teacher will correct any modification of the word 'unique' on the grounds that being 'unique' is, if the reader will pardon the recursiveness, a unique state. In other words, an object/situation/person cannot be 'very unique', for example, because it is either unique or it isn't. Similarly, an object/situation/person cannot be said to be 'more unique' than another, simply because the state of uniqueness defies comparison.

Fine, then - you might say - so don't modify 'unique' and be done with it. However, it is possible to modify the word in a multitude of ways, none of which cause the problem described above. For example, one can describe a person as 'not at all unique,' or a situation as 'almost unique'. Since these descriptions do not contradict the uniqueness of the state of being unique, they do not create the same problem that phrases like 'sort of unique' do.

So what's the difference? One way to see it is in the form of a parallel to the study of numbers and mathematical limits.

The Number '0'

The number zero1 can be considered as the limit of any number of mathematical functions as a variable approaches another number. For example, the limit of the function x=x as x approaches 0 is 0. However, any other value of x will, obviously, not produce a number that is anything like 0. It might be close to 0, might be almost 0, but it will never actually be 0. This leads to the fact that you can describe a number as 'nearly zero', 'not at all zero' or 'almost zero', but never 'very zero' or 'somewhat zero' or 'more zero' than another number2. All statements lead to a logical fallacy.

By now the parallel should be clear. Replace the number zero for the word 'unique' in any English phrase and you should be able to clearly discern whether the modification is logically possible or logically impossible. A trivial result, perhaps, but a very satisfying one for anyone who has ever spent years struggling with this issue.

And now, as an exercise, spot the three (not four!) logical errors in the concluding sentences below.

I'm guessing that this is one of the more unique entries in the Guide, but I'm not sure just how unique it is. It's definitely not not unique; however, I hope to find that my next entries are considered especially unique.

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1 Any number carries the same properties, but zero happens to be a handy one.
2 The last one is open to debate, but strictly speaking it is incorrect.
source: BBC - h2g2
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Francis
 
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Reply Sun 18 Sep, 2005 09:41 am
McTag wrote:
I'm not convinced.


Neither do I, Walter!
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