Does God Exist?

@neologist,

neologist wrote:

Within a day. If you figure 1000 years as a day, or an indeterminate day, he's still dead.

Once again Bible scriptures are used to facilitate an end of the world scenario. How bleak and depressing for a supposed book of life to be constantly imposing judgment and wrath. Where is the freedom Jesus referred to in that? Once again we are willing slaves huh?

It is not enough to bask in the beautify and radiance of life but to ruin the dream for future generations or to dilute their incentive for living is not a good endeavor at all. These prophecies are hope killers not hope makers...

Prophecies of doom and destruction are not profitable for victorious living.

Once again the apocalyptic doom of the Bible has to be wrangled and contorted to fit the present times...

A gods time clock would "logically" be much finer quantized.

Actually the human body has two internal clocks one is a daily clock and one is an atomic clock.

Just as computers also are finely quantized so they can figure many thousands of calculations per second.

So any budding mathematician writing the Bible would have derived the same concepts of time from logical mathematical induction.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

I have always thought that the MAJOR weakness in the credibility of the Bible was the passage at Leviticus 25:44ff.

"Slaves, male and female, you may indeed possess, provided you BUY them from among the neighboring nations. You may also BUY them from among the aliens who reside with you and from their children who are born and reared in your land. Such slaves YOU MAY OWN AS CHATTELS, and leave to your sons as their hereditary property, MAKING THEM PERPETUAL SLAVES. But you shall not lord it harshly over any of the Israelites, your kinsmen."

This was the god of the Bible speaking to the Hebrews during their trek out of supposed slavery in Egypt!

C'mon!

Good point Frank...
Scriptures like that induce people by divine condescending pressure to lower, not raise their standards of brotherhood and charity.

And we are also taught by the scriptures that God has such higher standards and ways than us, yet we know in our hearts that enslaving others is an egregious and criminal act against humanity.

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@RexRed,

Where did you get the idea that the world will end?
Or that judgement and wrath would continue?

Yeah, our current world system of government will end. (Daniel 2:44)
But there will be new heavens and a new earth. (Isaiah 65:17)

Even relief for those with troubled minds

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@neologist,

neologist wrote:

Uh, CI, the Hebrew word yom had more that one meaning, just as our word day can mean a 24 hour period, a daylight period, or an indefinite time, as in the expression "my grandfather's day". Look again at Genesis 2:4 and see how it lumps the first six days into one, thereby making it obvious that an indefinite time was meant.

7000 years is not analogous to seven days because in each millennium there has been no light and dark/night and day times to represent day and night.

At the dawn of this new millennium the greatest super power on earth has been in the longest protracted war of our time.

Yet wars no more violent and uncivilized than those fought even before Adam's supposed time.

Any super computer would require that time be more quantized than the average processor user.

I was also cautioned in my biblical studies to not take apparent figures of speech and apply them globally across other literal biblical stories unless there was some evident scriptural precedent in doing so.

Like the 7th Day Adventists did, they took a bunch of arbitrary unrelated biblical dates added them all up and proclaimed the ending time...

We all now how that turned out.

The massive city ruins of Gobekli Tepe are 6000 years older than Stonehenge...
http://blog.world-mysteries.com/strange-artifacts/gobekli-tepe-6000-years-older-than-stonehenge/

How does that great city figure into your thesis Neo?

Was God not aware of these people, or is anything that disproves your biblical concepts a straw man?

Noah's flood versus scientific evidence = straw man

Spherical Earth = straw man

Billions of years old earth = straw man

female came before man = straw man
(DNA clearly shows the Y chromosome is a mutation of X)

Sickness is caused by biological chemistry = straw man
(every one knows demons cause sickness) cynical

Gay people are born that way = straw man
(once again demons sent from the devil) cynical

get my drift Neo?

At some point you need to become forthright about the gaping impurities in this book.

Then its absolute and divine revelation becomes no more perfect a than any other book that claims to be the "sole and only rule for faith and practice".

Psalm 12:6
The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

Comment: Really?

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@neologist,

neologist wrote:

Where did you get the idea that the world will end?
Or that judgement and wrath would continue?

Yeah, our current world system of government will end. (Daniel 2:44)
But there will be new heavens and a new earth. (Isaiah 65:17)

Even relief for those with troubled minds

Revelation 21:1
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Is this new earth supposed to be horizontally new or vertically new?

If you think you know the answer consider there are Apocrypha books that propose both ideas so in the first century there was disagreement on the new heaven and earth.

Some believe in total destruction of the earth (angels pouring plagues from vials and elements themselves melting in fervent heat) and some believe in a revitalization or a quickening process.

Consider we are industrially on the brink of this destruction of a livable earth and the worst offenders are so called religious people who use the Bible to justify their damage done to our humble earthly abode.

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@RexRed,

RexRed wrote:

7000 years is not analogous to seven days because in each millennium there has been no light and dark/night and day times to represent day and night.

Really?!

RexRed wrote:

At the dawn of this new millennium the greatest super power on earth has been in the longest protracted war of our time.

Yet wars no more violent and uncivilized than those fought even before Adam's supposed time.

See Daniel 2:44

RexRed wrote:

Comment: Really?

Really!

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@neologist,

Yes, REALLY!

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@RexRed,

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Consider we are industrially on the brink of this destruction of a livable earth and the worst offenders are so called religious people who use the Bible to justify their damage done to our humble earthly abode.

Chalk that up to greed, stupidity and a corrupt US political system (they denied Global Warming for so long that it's obscene). Religion can't be guilty of everything...

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@Olivier5,

That's not the only issue where the US government fails not only our country but the whole world. The GOP denies global warming - all while admitting they are not scientists. We spend more on defense than the top 15 countries of the world combined.
It's not only obscene, we're on the road to self-destruction.

The GOP's rhetoric about ObamaCare was that it would break us financially, and they called it a 'fiscal cliff' that never happened. They also said the government under ObamaCare will have death panels. They prefer spending money on warfare over health care.

Because they hate our black president so much, they make every effort to make him fail at every turn, but our economy continues to grow. All the while they complain there isn't enough jobs, and they vote against every legislation for job creation.

The wonder of wonders, Americans continue to vote them into office.

TNCFS

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@cicerone imposter,

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but our economy continues to grow.

And presiding over continued growth is denial of global warming in action. 1% growth being a lot more in 2014 than it was in 2004. An acceleration.

So the GOP is only being honest and consistent while the tree-huggers are lying through their teeth because it can be made to sound good to gumps.

Do you know which way up you are ci?

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@RexRed,

what NONSENSE!!

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@Quehoniaomath,

Quehoniaomath wrote:

what NONSENSE!!

Can you please provide evidence of why this is "NONSENSE!!" or shall we take YOUR word on faith?

Faith = what stupid people use to prove anything.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

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Consider we are industrially on the brink of this destruction of a livable earth and the worst offenders are so called religious people who use the Bible to justify their damage done to our humble earthly abode.

Chalk that up to greed, stupidity and a corrupt US political system (they denied Global Warming for so long that it's obscene). Religion can't be guilty of everything...

I agree with most of what you say, even the last part to some degree.

Religion is not "guilty" of sound science either.

But religion is the number one manufacturer of idiocy.

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@RexRed,

no you don't have to take anything on faith!

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@RexRed,

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But religion is the number one manufacturer of idiocy.

I don't know, never seen a good global study about that. Seems to me that in the US, that dubious honor goes to FAUX News right now. In France, I'd nominate the whole city of Paris, which seems to get to people's head and make them behave as assholes.

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@cicerone imposter,

Agreed by and large, but the anti-GW and anti-gun laws guys in the congress also include some democrats, no?

As I see it, the problem is most acute among repukes but it's broader than them.

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@Quehoniaomath,

Do you believe in God, Queh?

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@Quehoniaomath,

Quehoniaomath wrote:

no you don't have to take anything on faith!

That is what religion is, faith without evidence...

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